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How extraordinary.
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-And look at these beautiful trees.
-Mm-hm.
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'Cause they…
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they're 70 years older
than they were when I lived here.
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Which one was it?
It's around here somewhere.
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This one here, I think.
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How wonderful.
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You can see…
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-…how lovely this would have been.
-Absolutely.
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One day, I'd done
something that I shouldn't have done,
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and I was being reprimanded
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-and sent to my room.
-Mm-hm.
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But I didn't…
You know, that room I had,
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I shared with my two brothers.
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And so, they sent me to Gilly's room.
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"And don't you come out.“
You know, blah, blah, blah.
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And I went into this bedroom,
sat on the bed with a book.
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And it was raining outside,
and it was warm and cosy, and I thought…
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…"I can't think of
anything better than this."
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Is this punishment?
'Cause this is wonderful!
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-Hello. You are?
-I'm the neighbour across the road.
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- Are you?
- I know the owners
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- of your historic house.
- Oh, gosh.
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- We call it the Rocky Horror House.
- Do you really?
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- We do!
- No, stop it!
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- It's famous!
- Good heavens above!
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It's famous!
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- Nice to meet you. Your name is?
- Nice to meet you. Sue.
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- Sue.
- Sue Middleton.
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- God bless you.
- Lovely to meet you, Richard.
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- Au revoir.
- Bye.
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♪ On the day I went away
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♪ Goodbye
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♪ Was all I had to say
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♪ Now I
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♪ I want to come again and stay
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♪ Oh, my, my… I
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It used to stand
almost where I used to cut hair.
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-Oh, right.
-That's where they put it.
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That, you know,
this is where I used to stand.
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Because it exactly was.
And can you imagine?
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Can you imagine when I was a barber,
cutting people's hair like this,
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and I said to them…
and imagine if I'd gone,
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“Do, you know,
one day, all this will be torn down.
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"All this building that we're standing in
will be torn down
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"and there'll be a statue of me…
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"wearing fishnets here."
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Can you imagine?
And what would he have said?
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"Yeah. Could you send for
the men with the white coats?"
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♪ I'm going home.' ♪
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I would like…to take you…
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- on a strange journey.
- I' It's astounding
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♪ Time is fleeting…' ♪
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This crowd is lining up
for a film about transvestites,
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popular with young people
in 175 cities across the land.
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♪ But listen closely
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♪ Not for very much longer… ♪
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Rocky Horror became much
more than a movie, it became an event.
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Every theatre where it plays
becomes something like a nightclub.
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♪ I remember… ♪
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The movie, like these people,
wants to shock you, repulse you.
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I've seen the Rocky Horror Picture Show
137 times, as of tonight.
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- 91 with tonight.
- 122 times.
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I'll tell you one thing, though -
I'd hate to have to clean up
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after one of them
Rocky Horror Picture Shows.
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♪ Let's do the time warp again
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It's the only cult film, really,
that's ever had this kind of longevity.
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♪ It's just a jump to the left… ♪
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-♪ And then a step to the right… ♪
-The music, the characters.
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The theme - "Don't dream it, be it."
The audience participation.
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Everything about the film, it's magical.
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♪ But it's the pelvic thrust
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♪ That really
drives you insa-a-a-a-a-ane… ♪
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Why don't we try it? Why don't we
go out there and see what it's like?
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If you haven't done it,
how would you know?
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It's not a movie, it's a way of life.
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When I first heard
about Rocky, I was 17 years
old.
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I was shopping at the ShopKo
in Marinette, Wisconsin,
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and in this bargain bin, there was a DVD
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with this man with high heels
on the front of it
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and these big, red lips.
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And I was like, "It looks weird.
I think I'm gonna like it."
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And I took it home and watched it,
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and it was like hearing
a radio channel playing something
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that I just had never heard before.
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"Oh, my gosh! I've never
tasted, seen, smelled anything like this."
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Some people, when they're teenagers,
have the wherewithal
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to come out and live their truth.
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I was in a very primal
beginning stage of that,
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which is called hating yourself.
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And I knew to keep
all that shit to myself,
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but I also knew that this film,
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it was, like, very gay,
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but I was very much allowed to like it.
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♪ Don't dream it… ♪
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l made a trip to Milwaukee
to see it in a movie theatre.
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♪ Be it…' ♪
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And I remember
the lights went down,
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and the spotlight came on,
and the shadow cast began.
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I don't know,
it was like being on another planet.
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♪ Don't dream it… ♪
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My understanding of myself was so small,
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and my understanding of, like, gay world
was even smaller.
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But this was like a pop-up book
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of rock-and-roll and sex and drugs
and the power of that.
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♪ Don't dream it… ♪
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By the second time
I was at Rocky, I was in Rocky.
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It was a very safe environment
to put on high heels and not call it drag.
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Because most of the cast
of Rocky where I was
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was straight men and straight women.
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And they were cross-dressing,
but we didn't really call it drag.
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We just called it "doing Rocky."
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♪ Be it…' ♪
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When I started doing
"Science Fiction/Double Feature",
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they started calling me Trixie,
and that's just…
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I mean, that's how I ended up
getting the name.
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And, ironically, my stepdad -
who I had a very tough relationship with -
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used to call me a Trixie when I was
acting too feminine or too emotional.
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So, coming into college
being called a Trixie was a huge…
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it was like being called a faggot,
you know?
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And so, then, when I was in Rocky
and I got called Trixie,
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it went from
the worst thing I could think of
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to a name given to me
by probably my first chosen family.
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I feel like my drag name
got picked for me by Rocky.
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Every Halloween, when I watch Rocky,
I reflect on, like, wow, this…
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So much of what I have
came from my experience
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of finding this film in a…
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…in a ShopKo
in Marinette, Wisconsin for $5.
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In 1964, at the age of 22,
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I was living in New Zealand.
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And I got on a boat,
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and for £110,
I spent five weeks at sea…
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…from Auckland to England.
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England was class-ridden
and dank and dark.
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And it was monochromatic -
a black and white society.
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And it was completely black and white
until 1967.
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The year of love
and flower power.
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And suddenly,
England became technicolour.
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I did jobs -
I would clean houses, pumped gas,
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I was a dustman.
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And in the evening times,
I'd be in this drama class,
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learning how to act.
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They were teaching the Method,
which we were all into those days.
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You had to be into the Method,
because this is a time
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when old-fashioned acting
was no longer acceptable
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because Marlon Brando was a method actor.
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Paul Newman was a method actor.
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You know, James Dean was a method actor.
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You're tearing me apart!
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I met my friend
Chrissie Shrimpton there,
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who was Mick Jagger's first girlfriend.
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We were both
at a rather crappy drama school
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called The Actors' Workshop,
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which was a sort of faux copy
of the one in New York.
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And Richard was a very serious young man.
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Really quite clever.
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And we became
very close friends very quickly.
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You know, the reason why is because…
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…he just had
this sort of really deep quality,
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and really sensitive.
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Chrissie was going down
to an audition of Gulliver's Travels,
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and she said, "Come along with me."
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She didn't get the audition, but I did.
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The choreographer of Gulliver's Travels
was also choreographer in Hair.
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I got into that and went
'round the country with that musical,
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which is where I met your mother, Kimi.
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And during that period,
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Jesus Christ Superstar was being mounted,
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and everybody in Hair
auditioned for that.
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I got into Jesus Christ Superstar,
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and I was contracted to take over
the role of King Herod.
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I had about two rehearsals.
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I went on,
and Robert Stigwood, the producer,
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was sat up in the royal box,
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watching my rendition of King Herod.
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And he was a bit like Caesar
at the end of it.
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After I'd finished,
you'd kind of look up to the box,
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and he went, "Hmm."
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The director of
Jesus Christ Superstar
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was Jim Sharman, an Australian.
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He came into the theatre and pulled me
into one of the rooms and said,
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"I'm so sorry about what's happened.
I didn't know that was gonna happen.
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"But I'd like to work with you again.
I think you have some talent."
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And I said, "Thank you very much."
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But I thought this was lip service.
I didn't truly believe him.
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But you had just been born…
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…and I was trying to decide
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whether or not to stay in the theatre.
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Because, you know, waiting for
the phone to ring is not an option.
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-Right.
-Um…
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I was contemplating,
because my responsibility now as a parent
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was to make sure that,
you know, I wasn't unemployed.
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And so, I was weighing up my options,
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whether I should return to New Zealand
and get a proper job
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or stay as an actor…
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…and I really wasn't sure.
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Just after that moment in time,
I said to Jim Sharman,
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I said,
"I'm writing a little musical myself,
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"which might amuse you.
It's amusing me.
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"Would you be interested
in listening to what I've got?“
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At that time,
having just done three musicals,
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a lot of musicals were coming my way,
and I said,
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"I hope it's not religious.“
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And, of course, it's the only one
that ended up with its own cult.
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And he came around
with a very reluctant Richard Hartley.
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You know, he told Jim
that he had this idea for a rock musical.
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And I said, "Oh, my God.
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"Not another one.“
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It was a period when there were…
you know, everyone and their dog
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had a sort of rock musical
in their back pocket.
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And they sat there, and I played
"Science Fiction/ Double Feature."
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Three times that night, actually,
I had to play that one…
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..and a few of the other songs,
and read a little bit of the script.
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And Jim went away, and it was
silent for about three or four days.
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♪ Michael Rennie was ill
the day the earth stood still
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♪ But he told us where we stand
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♪ And Flash Gordon was there
in silver underwear
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♪ Claude Rains was the Invisible Man
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♪ Then something went wrong… ♪
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I got a phone call, and he said,
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"They've asked me to do another play
downstairs at the Royal Court Theatre.
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"But I've told them I only will if I can
have three weeks' fun upstairs first.
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"So, we're on."
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"And I need another 20 pages in two days
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"and another five songs in two days.“
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♪ Science fiction
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♪ Double feature
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♪ Ooh-ooh-ooh
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♪ Doctor X
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♪ Oh-oh-oh
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♪ Will build a creature
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♪ See androids fighting
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♪ Brad and Janet
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♪ Anne Francis stars in
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♪ Oh, Forbidden Planet
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♪ Oh-oh-oh-oh-oh
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♪ At the late-night
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♪ Double-feature picture show. ♪
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Yeah, something like that, I think.
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Awesome. So good to hear it.
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And that's the single.
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Yeah, so, that's what he sang.
That was the first song.
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He didn't sing it as fast as that,
but anyway…
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-Was that fast? Was I?
-Yeah, it was fast.
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Was I? I was trying to get out of here.
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-I've got a bus to catch.
-That was nerves.
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Haven't got much time left, you see?
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I kept diddling away,
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not necessarily in a linear form.
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I'd write a song, and we'd put that there.
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I might have a little…
a joke might occur to me,
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and I'd pop it in or write it down
and scribble things.
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Sharman] lt happened very fast.
It was very instinctive.
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It was not much time for fears and nerves.
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The symbiotic relationship
of the creative team
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was thrilling to observe.
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So, you have Jim Sharman,
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such a talented director,
especially in musicals,
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which is the hardest thing to direct.
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The brilliant Richard O'Brien
with his baby,
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this unfinished musical called
They Came From Denton High.
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I basically suggested to Richard
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on the simple principle
that it's a rock-and-roll horror show,
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why don't we just call it what it is?
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You have Brian Thompson,
the set designer.
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He and Jim had
an incredible relationship together.
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All the visuals,
they're just so unusual and original.
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Then you had Richard Hartley.
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It was a perfect combination.
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Richard O'Brien wrote the song,
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but Richard Hartley would finesse it
and make it blossom.
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Richard has a knack
for simplicity in his songs.
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He has a way
of putting those lyrics to something
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that is very simple, memorable
and fits with the words.
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You know, that's a skill.
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The only person in the creative team
required now was a costume designer.
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My friend asked,
"Would you meet a director
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"who's being really difficult…"
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"..About finding somebody
to do the costumes for a show?
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We've tried anybody who's any good,
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and they've all turned it down.
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You would think that,
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if you were casting a rock musical,
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that the director, Jim Sharman,
would be looking for,
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you know, very strong voices.
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Well, he wasn't.
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I didn't necessarily
cast an actor
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just because they had the technical skill
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to do something,
though, of course, they did.
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I was looking in their eyes and thinking,
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"Is this an interesting person?
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"What will they actually bring to this
that isn't already there?"
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I lived in
a tiny, crappy apartment
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on Paddington Street,
two doors away from a gym.
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And I was out on the sidewalk,
and I bumped into Richard.
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He was coming out of the gym.
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And I said,
"What were you doing in the gym?"
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And he said, "I'm looking for
a muscle man who can sing."
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I said, "Really?
Why do you need him to sing?“
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And then he told me
he'd written this musical.
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I read the script, and I thought
it was really good and quite funny.
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What was the first impression
of the script when you read it?
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Very short.
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I looked at the script,
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and the character called Magenta
had about four lines.
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And I thought, "Mm."
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But she had the song,
which was the Usherette song,
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so I didn't…wasn't interested
in this Magenta person.
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I just wanted to do that song.
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When I first read for the part,
I read it with a German accent,
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'cause he was called Frank-N-Furter.
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And one day, I was on a bus in London,
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and a woman in front of me
said to her lady friend,
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"Do you live in ty-own,
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or do you have a hoise in the count-rah ?"
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And I thought, "That's it.
He ought to sound like the Queen.“
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How forceful you are, Brad.
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Such a perfect specimen of manhood.
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When we were auditioning,
I wanted to play Eddie.
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Because Eddie gets out of a fridge,
sings a song,
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gets back in the fridge and disappears.
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But Jim said,
"I want you to play Riff-Raff."
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l always saw Richard
as Riff-Raff.
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His very gaunt, but very striking look.
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I did see in him a touch of Max Schreck
from Nosferatu.
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One day,
Jim Sharman asked Richard,
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"Can you write a song
for the three servants
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"and they do a little dance together?"
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Well, Richard went home,
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and with his then-wife
and your mother, Kimi,
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first they invented a dance,
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and then Richard wrote a song
to match the dance.
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And then,
before rehearsal started the next morning,
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he swung by Richard Hartley's
tiny, tiny basement flat
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and they finessed the chorus
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and arrived on time for rehearsal
with "The Time Warp."
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♪ Oh, I remember
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♪ Doing the Time Warp
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♪ Drinking those moments when
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♪ Blackness would hit me
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♪ And the void would be calling, oh
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♪ Let's do the Time Warp again
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The nice thing about it was
there was no pressure on us,
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'cause it didn't matter
if it didn't go any further.
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It really was a moment in time
and a moment of fun.
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♪ Time warp again. ♪
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Yeah, so…
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My approach was
to be inventive,
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to be improvisatory, to be playful.
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We were actually looking for
another way to present the work,
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and we were looking towards
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some quite radical, experimental
Eastern European ways
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of kind of putting the audience
above the action
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and looking down in the tiny space.
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'Cause we didn't treat it as a theatre.
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We just created
the whole space as a stage.
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Necessity is
the mother of invention.
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So, being a 60-seat room,
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the set designer, Brian Thompson,
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put scaffolding everywhere.
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Our stage was the width of my hands here,
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and we only had one wooden chair.
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That was the set.
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And the problem, where to put the band?
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So, they made a cinema screen
and put the band behind that.
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So, that's why
the set became a cinema screen.
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We had nothing,
but that's why he did scaffolding,
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so we could climb up it
and have different places to sit.
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I was very much educated
in film by seeing late-night movies.
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I was very educated in film
by watching Weimar cinema.
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And I was very educated in theatre
by understanding Weimar cabaret.
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All of those things, I think,
came to play in Rocky Horror.
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I was also brought up
in a travelling boxing troupe.
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I also saw fairground shows
and popular culture,
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but I'd also directed
Mozart and Shakespeare,
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so the notion of actually
combusting high art and low art,
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that was new at the time,
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but it was something
that I very much embraced.
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And I would say Brian Thompson,
Richard Hartley and Sue Blane
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came out of exactly that same ethos.
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We created immersive theatre,
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not stuck behind the proscenium arch
in a picture frame.
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It was a really good time.
It was very creative.
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And I remember reaching a crisis
fairly early on,
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because I would
snap out an order to somebody
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and they wouldn't quite jump to it.
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And I stopped
and had a sort of rather small tantrum
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and said, "Look, I can't be powerful
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"if you don't accept the power
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"and at least cringe a little."
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So, that took care of that
pretty quickly.
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I mean,
they were awfully good about that.
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Acting is a very competitive sport,
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and you have to take it on, you know?
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Like a prize fight.
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And I've lost a few in my time.
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First preview, I was…
I was, um…
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I was nervous.
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The nerves…ran through me.
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We got to that
"Over at the Frankenstein Place",
401
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and they sang that line.
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♪ Over at the Frankenstein place. ♪
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And the audience laughed.
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And with that laughter
came a flood of relief
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that it wasn't gonna go too badly.
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That we were…
it was gonna be all right.
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If they're laughing at that,
then they'll laugh at anything.
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On the opening night,
just as we were about to start,
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there was a mighty blast of thunder
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over London.
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It was raining.
It was belting down.
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There was a skylight in the roof.
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I looked out and the lightning went…
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..and flashed!
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I'm sitting there going,
"Whoa! If that ain't a good omen,
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"I don't know what is."
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00:22:10,370 --> 00:22:13,998
And I thought, "Something has started.“
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We opened, and it was
a phenomenal, phenomenal success.
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The reviews the next morning…
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Barry Humphries said,
"Impossible to overpraise."
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00:22:25,009 --> 00:22:28,888
And then, the Daily Mail
theatre critic gave it a rave review.
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So, within a week, we knew
it was going to be…probably had legs.
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I don't think we knew
quite what to expect when it first opened.
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We were due
to play for three weeks,
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and then, it was sold out very quickly.
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I got all these reports
from people in London saying,
427
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"You've no idea what's going on.
428
00:22:51,077 --> 00:22:53,788
"You know, you can't get a ticket for it.
429
00:22:53,955 --> 00:22:55,290
"It's absolutely amazing."
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And before I knew it, it was a huge hit
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and was going to transfer down Kings Road.
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It absolutely exploded,
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00:23:07,927 --> 00:23:10,805
and it was shocking how successful it was
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and how people were really crushing
to get in and see it.
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This was something alive,
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something so funny
but also something quite tragic.
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Because one minute
you were in love with Frank-N-Furter,
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and the next minute you felt
terribly sorry for Frank-N-Furter.
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00:23:27,071 --> 00:23:28,907
And you laughed at Brad and Janet,
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and then you felt
terribly scared for them.
441
00:23:30,825 --> 00:23:34,704
You know, there was so much in it,
emotionally.
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The very first night
that we did the transfer -
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and we're now no longer
a fringe theatre event,
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we're in a proper theatre -
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Michael White came up, and he said,
"I think we've got a hit, Richard."
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I said, "Oh, really? Okay“
and got in the car and drove home.
447
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Don't count your chickens
until they're hatched, you know.
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♪ How do you do? ♪
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♪ See you've met my
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♪ Faithful handyman… ♪
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Do you remember
the reaction in the audience
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when you first revealed yourself
and threw off the cloak?
453
00:24:06,194 --> 00:24:09,697
Yeah. Well, I had a rather good entrance
in the original play,
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because it was a tiny theatre,
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and I came down
a sort of wooden staircase.
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00:24:17,330 --> 00:24:19,666
l I actually asked Brian
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to adjust the height of the ramps,
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00:24:23,169 --> 00:24:27,966
so that when his stilettos
stamped down on the floor,
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they would be at eye-height
with the audience.
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So that there would be
genuine fear of physical damage.
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♪ Transylvania… ♪
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This creature.. .walked down,
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00:24:43,106 --> 00:24:47,360
and the most extraordinary shift happened.
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00:24:47,527 --> 00:24:51,239
Once he hits the stage,
he just throws off his cape,
465
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and there he is in the corset,
the garters, the fishnet,
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00:24:54,450 --> 00:24:56,119
the whole god-damn caboodle.
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00:24:56,285 --> 00:24:58,287
Everyone just went nuts.
468
00:24:58,454 --> 00:25:00,289
It was incredible.
469
00:25:02,041 --> 00:25:06,254
He turned around and gave them that smile,
and they went, “Yes."
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And it surprised them.
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They were surprised
by their own attraction
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to this. . .this creature.
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♪ I'll get you a satanic mechanic
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♪ I'm just a sweet transvestite… ♪
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Frank-N-Furter
as a variation on Frankenstein
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is obsessed with image
and the way that things look,
477
00:25:25,356 --> 00:25:28,693
but I see him and play him
as a kind of grisly…
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…real freak.
479
00:25:31,988 --> 00:25:34,907
I was down in the middle
of the audience half the time,
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00:25:35,074 --> 00:25:39,370
which was an extremely
vulnerable place to be,
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but a very authoritative
kind of place to be.
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And it gave me power.
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♪ And he's good for relieving my… ♪
484
00:25:46,919 --> 00:25:50,381
What's so alluring
about Frank-N-Furter
485
00:25:50,548 --> 00:25:52,258
is his forward sexuality.
486
00:25:52,425 --> 00:25:54,177
He knows what he desires,
487
00:25:54,343 --> 00:25:57,930
and he expresses that,
and he pursues that freely.
488
00:25:58,097 --> 00:26:02,643
As a society,
we're taught to repress our desires
489
00:26:02,810 --> 00:26:05,897
or to feel shameful around our libido,
490
00:26:06,105 --> 00:26:08,733
and the fact of that sexual strength
491
00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:11,069
becomes a thing that seems alluring.
492
00:26:11,235 --> 00:26:13,738
♪ Transylvania… ♪
493
00:26:13,905 --> 00:26:16,115
That was my first awareness
494
00:26:16,282 --> 00:26:19,869
that when you cross-dress,
you become powerful.
495
00:26:20,036 --> 00:26:24,665
And for good or bad, you become
the most important person in the room.
496
00:26:24,832 --> 00:26:27,293
♪ I see you shiver with antici…
497
00:26:29,712 --> 00:26:31,339
♪ ..pation… ♪
498
00:26:31,506 --> 00:26:34,342
And for a man
to forfeit his privilege, right?
499
00:26:34,509 --> 00:26:36,260
Because we all com modify masculinity.
500
00:26:36,427 --> 00:26:39,097
Which, in theory,
means you step down the ladder in power.
501
00:26:39,263 --> 00:26:41,015
But by doing so, you step up the ladder.
502
00:26:41,182 --> 00:26:43,851
It doesn't make sense.
It's like a paradox.
503
00:26:44,018 --> 00:26:46,896
And that's what makes it
so compelling to watch.
504
00:26:50,233 --> 00:26:52,693
= Frank-N-Furter coming on stage
505
00:26:52,860 --> 00:26:54,529
and throwing off that cape and going…
506
00:26:54,695 --> 00:26:57,031
♪ I'm just a sweet transvestite. ♪
507
00:26:57,198 --> 00:26:59,200
…without any apology…
508
00:26:59,367 --> 00:27:00,743
is wonderful.
509
00:27:00,910 --> 00:27:03,287
It's so out-there and so in-your-face.
510
00:27:03,454 --> 00:27:06,207
Such a liberating role,
511
00:27:06,374 --> 00:27:09,418
and I think it liberated other people.
512
00:27:09,585 --> 00:27:13,548
♪ Don't get strung out
by the way that I look
513
00:27:13,714 --> 00:27:16,676
♪ Don't judge a book by its cover
514
00:27:16,843 --> 00:27:20,888
♪ I'm not much of a man
by the light of the day
515
00:27:21,055 --> 00:27:24,892
♪ But by night I am one hell of a lover
516
00:27:25,059 --> 00:27:27,311
♪ I'm just a sweet transvestite
517
00:27:27,478 --> 00:27:29,021
♪ Ooh
518
00:27:29,188 --> 00:27:31,899
♪ From Transexual
519
00:27:32,066 --> 00:27:36,362
♪ Transylvania. ♪
520
00:27:36,529 --> 00:27:37,864
-Great.
-Something like that.
521
00:27:38,030 --> 00:27:40,408
I forget how songs go sometimes.
522
00:27:40,575 --> 00:27:43,911
I go, "Oh! What the fuck?
How did that go?
523
00:27:46,914 --> 00:27:48,708
You know,
your personal journey,
524
00:27:48,875 --> 00:27:53,004
for you to be your authentic self,
for you to feel comfortable saying
525
00:27:53,171 --> 00:27:56,257
that you're 30% female and 70% male,
526
00:27:56,424 --> 00:27:58,509
it took you a long time
to get to that point.
527
00:27:58,676 --> 00:28:01,679
Well, there's…
Yes, but, I mean…
528
00:28:01,846 --> 00:28:05,266
I remember the first time
I went out in a frock…
529
00:28:05,433 --> 00:28:07,560
and somebody said to me,
"Oh, you're out of the closet."
530
00:28:07,727 --> 00:28:11,522
I said, "Well, you see, the thing is,
I may well have been in the closet,
531
00:28:11,689 --> 00:28:13,691
"but the door was wide open, wasn't it?"
532
00:28:13,858 --> 00:28:15,860
You know what I mean?
533
00:28:21,616 --> 00:28:23,492
At six-and-a-half, I remember,
534
00:28:23,659 --> 00:28:25,494
I was looking at
some magazine or something,
535
00:28:25,661 --> 00:28:27,663
and I blurted it out, you know.
536
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:30,166
"I want to be the fairy princess
when I grow up."
537
00:28:30,333 --> 00:28:32,585
And I remember him going…
538
00:28:32,752 --> 00:28:36,255
I remember the look of…
and I remember that feeling of,
539
00:28:36,422 --> 00:28:39,842
"Whoops, I've said something I shouldn't."
540
00:28:40,927 --> 00:28:43,471
And…the shutters came down.
541
00:28:44,555 --> 00:28:47,683
And there was nowhere to go.
Even if I had said it in those days,
542
00:28:47,850 --> 00:28:51,479
there was no way my parents
would have known how to deal with it.
543
00:28:51,646 --> 00:28:56,275
I think it's the repression which causes
the insanity and the pain,
544
00:28:56,442 --> 00:28:58,152
and I used to beat myself up all the time.
545
00:28:58,319 --> 00:29:01,155
I was forever at war with myself…
546
00:29:01,322 --> 00:29:03,074
and feeling desperate.
547
00:29:03,241 --> 00:29:05,910
In the early days,
you didn't cross-dress,
548
00:29:06,077 --> 00:29:08,996
because it just wouldn't have happened.
549
00:29:09,163 --> 00:29:12,208
I can remember when, you know,
he must have come out to Jane,
550
00:29:12,375 --> 00:29:15,253
and he was giving me a lift somewhere,
and he said,
551
00:29:15,419 --> 00:29:19,173
"If I decided to change sex,
would you still be my friend?
552
00:29:19,340 --> 00:29:21,676
And I thought…"Well, yeah.
553
00:29:21,842 --> 00:29:25,137
“Yeah, I would be,
because I'm your friend."
554
00:29:25,304 --> 00:29:27,890
And he said,
"Why doesn't my wife understand?"
555
00:29:28,057 --> 00:29:29,892
And I said, "Well, it's quite different."
556
00:29:30,059 --> 00:29:32,436
You know, "I can't give you that opinion.
It's quite different."
557
00:29:32,603 --> 00:29:34,939
So, I think that sort of struggle
558
00:29:35,106 --> 00:29:39,610
to be accepted
on both levels of himself…
559
00:29:39,777 --> 00:29:41,654
And he did tell me once
560
00:29:41,821 --> 00:29:44,907
that he'd been born that way
and he wished he hadn't
561
00:29:45,074 --> 00:29:46,492
because it had been so difficult for him.
562
00:29:46,659 --> 00:29:50,121
I mean, I…
And he has paved the way for it,
563
00:29:50,288 --> 00:29:52,540
to open the door for many people
564
00:29:52,707 --> 00:29:55,418
who must have been suffering in that way.
565
00:29:57,003 --> 00:30:01,674
About eight years ago,
I stepped off the edge of the abyss.
566
00:30:01,841 --> 00:30:05,469
Couldn't find my way up.
Couldn't break the surface.
567
00:30:05,636 --> 00:30:07,847
Locked in this kind of…
568
00:30:08,014 --> 00:30:11,350
dreadful well of despair.
569
00:30:11,517 --> 00:30:14,395
And then, I talked to my son on the phone,
my oldest boy Linus.
570
00:30:14,562 --> 00:30:16,605
And he said,
"Dad, you've got to understand
571
00:30:16,772 --> 00:30:19,108
"that we love you completely, absolutely.
572
00:30:19,275 --> 00:30:21,360
"It doesn't matter what you've done
or where you've been
573
00:30:21,527 --> 00:30:23,154
"or whatever has happened.
574
00:30:23,321 --> 00:30:26,490
"You… You are loved,
and we care for you."
575
00:30:30,369 --> 00:30:32,163
Our art expresses our desires,
576
00:30:32,330 --> 00:30:34,248
sometimes before
we understand them ourselves.
577
00:30:34,415 --> 00:30:37,668
Our art expresses
something about who we are
578
00:30:37,835 --> 00:30:40,838
before we can cut through the pressures
579
00:30:41,005 --> 00:30:43,466
to not be who we want to be.
580
00:30:43,632 --> 00:30:46,469
And I think that that's maybe
what's happened in this case.
581
00:30:46,635 --> 00:30:49,722
I don't see it as sad.
I see it as actually kind of beautiful.
582
00:30:53,059 --> 00:30:55,019
Can you tell us
about how you ended up
583
00:30:55,186 --> 00:30:57,396
seeing Rocky Horror for the first time?
584
00:30:57,563 --> 00:30:59,482
That was…
585
00:30:59,648 --> 00:31:01,692
thanks to…
586
00:31:01,859 --> 00:31:03,110
Britt Ekland.
587
00:31:03,277 --> 00:31:06,280
At the time, she was my girlfriend.
588
00:31:06,447 --> 00:31:09,200
Britt called and said…
589
00:31:09,367 --> 00:31:10,951
"There is a musical here…
590
00:31:11,118 --> 00:31:13,496
"called The Rocky Horror Show,
591
00:31:13,662 --> 00:31:16,582
"and it's the rage of London."
592
00:31:16,749 --> 00:31:18,501
From the beginning,
593
00:31:18,667 --> 00:31:22,296
I felt it was a…an event
594
00:31:22,463 --> 00:31:25,091
and something very, very special.
595
00:31:25,257 --> 00:31:29,929
I was taken by the cast
and the music immediately,
596
00:31:30,096 --> 00:31:33,432
enough so that I wanted
to make a deal that night.
597
00:31:35,643 --> 00:31:37,269
I would venture to say,
598
00:31:37,436 --> 00:31:40,106
because I think Lou is
a very shrewd producer,
599
00:31:40,272 --> 00:31:42,358
he might have had the thought, even then,
600
00:31:42,525 --> 00:31:46,445
that by doing it at the Roxy
that might also trigger a film.
601
00:31:46,612 --> 00:31:50,908
I wanted to put it
into the Roxy in Los Angeles
602
00:31:51,075 --> 00:31:55,121
because of the way that it
was presented in London.
603
00:31:55,287 --> 00:31:59,166
The Roxy was perfect for it -
sort of cabaret.
604
00:31:59,333 --> 00:32:03,838
That you could go
beyond sitting in a theatre,
605
00:32:04,004 --> 00:32:07,675
but that you could enjoy
the whole experience of it.
606
00:32:07,842 --> 00:32:10,094
And in the back of my mind,
607
00:32:10,261 --> 00:32:13,556
I just envisioned it as a film…
608
00:32:13,722 --> 00:32:15,015
pretty much from the beginning.
609
00:32:15,182 --> 00:32:18,519
The casting for The Roxy,
610
00:32:18,686 --> 00:32:21,689
we had some very, very talented people,
611
00:32:21,856 --> 00:32:24,483
most of who were local actors.
612
00:32:24,650 --> 00:32:29,572
I thought, pretty much,
I couldn't duplicate Tim Curry.
613
00:32:29,738 --> 00:32:33,242
That was somebody
that we had to bring over.
614
00:32:33,409 --> 00:32:35,494
And that went for Richard, also.
615
00:32:35,661 --> 00:32:40,082
But not only the fact that you were
getting the actor that was in it,
616
00:32:40,249 --> 00:32:42,001
but you were getting the creator.
617
00:32:42,168 --> 00:32:46,881
Opening night at the Roxy
was something really special.
618
00:32:48,007 --> 00:32:53,637
We had a turnout
of the rock-and-roll celebrities -
619
00:32:53,804 --> 00:32:55,806
the John Lennons.
620
00:32:55,973 --> 00:32:57,600
Everyone wanted to be there for it.
621
00:32:57,766 --> 00:33:01,061
Lou Adler knew
how to put on a show.
622
00:33:01,228 --> 00:33:04,106
I mean, he had searchlights
outside the theatre,
623
00:33:04,273 --> 00:33:06,233
in the sky, and…
624
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,569
…it was a big deal.
625
00:33:11,322 --> 00:33:13,157
Were you pleased
when you heard a movie might get made
626
00:33:13,324 --> 00:33:14,658
about the play?
627
00:33:14,825 --> 00:33:16,952
It was great.
There had been overtures.
628
00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:21,707
Mick Jagger's company approached me
and wanted to buy the film rights.
629
00:33:21,874 --> 00:33:25,044
And I went into the theatre that night
and said,
630
00:33:25,211 --> 00:33:26,879
♪im, I just met with
Mick Jagger's people.
631
00:33:27,046 --> 00:33:28,714
"He wants to buy the film rights."
632
00:33:28,881 --> 00:33:31,675
He said, "Don't do that."
I said, "Why not?"
633
00:33:31,842 --> 00:33:34,678
He said,
"Because then we won't be able to do it.
634
00:33:34,845 --> 00:33:36,972
"If he does it,
we won't be able to do it.“
635
00:33:37,139 --> 00:33:38,974
I went, "Oh! All right."
636
00:33:39,141 --> 00:33:41,894
Can you tell me about
how the movie came together?
637
00:33:42,061 --> 00:33:45,814
My attorney at the time,
Gordon Stulberg
638
00:33:45,981 --> 00:33:49,151
moved on to become
the head of 20th Century Fox,
639
00:33:49,318 --> 00:33:52,363
so that connection gave me
640
00:33:52,530 --> 00:33:55,658
the real possibility of making a deal.
641
00:33:55,824 --> 00:33:59,578
I invited Gordon to the show, and I said,
642
00:33:59,745 --> 00:34:02,873
"You can't come
unless you bring your kids with you."
643
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,252
I think Gordon went along
with what the audience
644
00:34:06,418 --> 00:34:09,922
was providing to him as excitement,
645
00:34:10,089 --> 00:34:15,094
and the kids in his ear
as he was driving home.
646
00:34:16,178 --> 00:34:18,097
I don't think he ever understood
what he…
647
00:34:18,264 --> 00:34:20,140
..the deal that he made.
648
00:34:20,307 --> 00:34:22,893
And one of
the great things about this
649
00:34:23,060 --> 00:34:27,481
is that we were a fringe theatre event,
and we were allowed to make a movie.
650
00:34:27,648 --> 00:34:31,527
And not only that,
Jim was allowed to direct it.
651
00:34:31,694 --> 00:34:35,698
Not only that, Brian Thompson
was allowed to be the artistic director.
652
00:34:35,864 --> 00:34:39,076
Not only that,
Tim was allowed to play the lead role.
653
00:34:39,243 --> 00:34:43,289
That's very rare, especially when
it's American Hollywood money.
654
00:34:43,455 --> 00:34:46,750
They go, “Oh, we better recast.
Get a name in."
655
00:34:46,917 --> 00:34:50,629
And that didn't happen.
We were all allowed to play.
656
00:34:50,796 --> 00:34:53,924
The normal fight
in those situations
657
00:34:54,091 --> 00:34:58,596
is for the studio to say,
"We want names."
658
00:34:58,762 --> 00:35:03,267
But because the film costs
a little under a million dollars,
659
00:35:03,434 --> 00:35:05,978
and, to be very truthful,
660
00:35:06,145 --> 00:35:09,690
Michael White and I
guaranteed the million,
661
00:35:09,857 --> 00:35:13,277
so that if the film
did not complete filming
662
00:35:13,444 --> 00:35:15,487
or didn't come out well, et cetera,
663
00:35:15,654 --> 00:35:17,740
we would be the losers.
664
00:35:20,409 --> 00:35:22,202
I mean, the excitement,
to me, of the film
665
00:35:22,369 --> 00:35:26,040
very much was in the fact that, for once,
there wasn't something that was created
666
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,876
by a very small group of people
which was then taken over
667
00:35:29,043 --> 00:35:31,920
by a sort of massive concern
and sort of pulped out.
668
00:35:32,087 --> 00:35:35,799
We've kept the sort of basic core
of the original people…
669
00:35:35,966 --> 00:35:38,260
through the various
sort of transformations
670
00:35:38,427 --> 00:35:40,346
as the sort of monster has grown.
671
00:35:42,264 --> 00:35:45,351
When he was told
what the budget was, how low it was,
672
00:35:45,517 --> 00:35:47,227
Jim said, at that moment, he realised
673
00:35:47,394 --> 00:35:49,688
he wasn't going to be making
a Hollywood film,
674
00:35:49,855 --> 00:35:51,982
he would be making an underground film
675
00:35:52,149 --> 00:35:56,070
more in the line of Warhol
and Derek Jarman.
676
00:35:56,236 --> 00:35:57,696
Power.
677
00:35:57,863 --> 00:36:01,700
I don't create it, I own it.
678
00:36:01,867 --> 00:36:04,286
Three people that wanted
to play the roles were Mick Jagger,
679
00:36:04,453 --> 00:36:07,081
Lou Reed and, of course, David Bowie.
680
00:36:07,247 --> 00:36:09,750
So, no Mick Jaggers, no Bowies.
681
00:36:09,917 --> 00:36:12,461
He said, "I'm having the original cast.“
682
00:36:12,628 --> 00:36:14,421
Thank you, Jim.
683
00:36:14,588 --> 00:36:17,591
Wasn't he wise?
684
00:36:21,095 --> 00:36:24,598
I heard about Rocky through Joel Thurm,
685
00:36:24,765 --> 00:36:27,893
who was the casting director,
who had asked me,
686
00:36:28,060 --> 00:36:30,813
would I be interested
maybe in coming to LA
687
00:36:30,979 --> 00:36:33,732
and doing the production at the Roxy?
688
00:36:33,899 --> 00:36:36,443
And I said I didn't really
want to do stage at that point.
689
00:36:36,610 --> 00:36:39,029
But if there's ever a movie,
please come to me
690
00:36:39,196 --> 00:36:41,740
and talk to me
about playing a character in it.
691
00:36:41,907 --> 00:36:43,492
Brad Majors.
692
00:36:43,659 --> 00:36:45,994
- This is my fiancée Janet "Veiss."
- Weiss.
693
00:36:46,161 --> 00:36:48,038
Weiss.
694
00:36:48,205 --> 00:36:51,500
The role, I think it could
have been custom-made for Barry.
695
00:36:51,667 --> 00:36:54,169
I mean, you need a good singer,
you need a great-looking guy,
696
00:36:54,336 --> 00:36:56,171
you needed someone
who looks very all-American.
697
00:36:56,338 --> 00:36:59,925
He was perfect for it, I mean,
in every possible way.
698
00:37:00,092 --> 00:37:02,803
And Susan came about all indirectly,
699
00:37:02,970 --> 00:37:06,557
because I knew that Susan
wanted to do the project.
700
00:37:06,724 --> 00:37:09,476
Joel was very sneaky,
701
00:37:09,643 --> 00:37:11,979
because Susan,
who was a friend of mine at the time,
702
00:37:12,146 --> 00:37:14,440
he was interested in her to play Janet.
703
00:37:14,606 --> 00:37:18,193
Her agents did not
want her to audition for the piece,
704
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,487
and I found a way to get around it
that was very simple.
705
00:37:20,654 --> 00:37:23,949
When Barry was
coming in for his audition,
706
00:37:23,949 --> 00:37:25,909
I said, ♪ust bring Susan."
707
00:37:26,076 --> 00:37:29,037
And I went by just to say hi,
and they were like,
708
00:37:29,204 --> 00:37:30,998
"Oh, my gosh! What a good idea!
709
00:37:31,165 --> 00:37:32,666
"Why don't you…
Would you read Janet?"
710
00:37:32,833 --> 00:37:34,918
I'm on stage, reading with Barry,
711
00:37:35,085 --> 00:37:36,795
and then I stop in the middle.
I say, "Wait a minute.
712
00:37:36,962 --> 00:37:39,798
"Why is this 30-year-old balding man
reading with you
713
00:37:39,965 --> 00:37:41,842
"when we have a lovely woman?
714
00:37:42,009 --> 00:37:44,970
"Susan, can you do me a favour
and can you please read with Barry?"
715
00:37:45,137 --> 00:37:47,723
So, in other words,
she wasn't auditioning.
716
00:37:47,890 --> 00:37:49,683
She was helping me read an actor.
717
00:37:49,850 --> 00:37:51,435
Oh, Brad, wasn't it wonderful?
718
00:37:51,602 --> 00:37:53,562
Didn't Betty look radiantly beautiful?
719
00:37:53,729 --> 00:37:57,107
Oh, I can't believe it. An hour ago,
she was plain old Betty Munroe,
720
00:37:57,274 --> 00:37:58,609
and now…
721
00:37:58,776 --> 00:38:01,612
now she's Mrs Ralph Hapschatt.
722
00:38:01,779 --> 00:38:04,281
Janet at that time felt, to me,
723
00:38:04,448 --> 00:38:07,367
like a satire of every ingénue
I'd ever played.
724
00:38:07,534 --> 00:38:11,330
You keep your hands to yourself,
and you talk to me.
725
00:38:11,497 --> 00:38:14,124
You know, somebody who's
kind of wide-eyed and sweet,
726
00:38:14,291 --> 00:38:19,254
but underneath is a bitch and,
you know, is just waiting to be liberated.
727
00:38:19,421 --> 00:38:20,547
And so, I read it.
728
00:38:20,714 --> 00:38:22,883
What's happening here?
729
00:38:23,050 --> 00:38:24,301
Where's Brad?
730
00:38:24,468 --> 00:38:26,887
Where's anybody?!
731
00:38:27,054 --> 00:38:30,182
When Susan started reading,
Jim Sharman said, "Who is she?"
732
00:38:30,349 --> 00:38:34,603
Because, you know, Susan is just,
as we know, she's extraordinary.
733
00:38:34,770 --> 00:38:38,899
In the words of the song,
she had Bette Davis eyes.
734
00:38:39,066 --> 00:38:42,236
Those saucer eyes
could wipe everybody off the screen.
735
00:38:43,946 --> 00:38:45,948
And sometimes did.
736
00:38:46,114 --> 00:38:49,493
I remember
standing up on this little stage,
737
00:38:49,660 --> 00:38:52,412
and I thought the focus
was gonna be on me.
738
00:38:52,579 --> 00:38:54,498
And apparently…
739
00:38:54,665 --> 00:38:56,583
who they were really looking at
was Susan,
740
00:38:56,750 --> 00:38:59,461
as I, in their minds -
and I didn't know it -
741
00:38:59,628 --> 00:39:01,088
already had the job.
742
00:39:01,255 --> 00:39:03,757
And Joel was just sort of suckering me in.
743
00:39:05,509 --> 00:39:09,930
And the next thing I knew,
I was going off to be in this film.
744
00:39:10,097 --> 00:39:12,683
And of course,
one of the nicest things about that
745
00:39:12,850 --> 00:39:16,812
is Susan Sarandon and Barry Bostwick
came across from America
746
00:39:16,979 --> 00:39:20,941
into a world which we already inhabited.
747
00:39:21,108 --> 00:39:23,527
Which was fantastic, because…
748
00:39:23,694 --> 00:39:26,154
that's exactly
what was supposed to happen.
749
00:39:26,321 --> 00:39:29,908
And it couldn't have been
more truthful and more obvious.
750
00:39:30,075 --> 00:39:33,328
And rehearsing was a dream,
because we all knew what we were doing.
751
00:39:33,495 --> 00:39:36,957
And they came in,
you know, the green virgins,
752
00:39:37,124 --> 00:39:39,209
and it was perfect.
753
00:39:39,376 --> 00:39:41,169
I think
it's very good for the film,
754
00:39:41,336 --> 00:39:44,214
because we were strangers
in a strange land, you know?
755
00:39:44,381 --> 00:39:45,632
In a very strange land.
756
00:39:45,799 --> 00:39:47,593
Oh, come on, Brad, admit it.
757
00:39:47,759 --> 00:39:49,595
You liked it, didn't you?
758
00:39:49,761 --> 00:39:52,848
There's no crime
in giving yourself over to pleasure.
759
00:39:55,601 --> 00:40:00,480
Well, we'd found this house in Bray
called Oakley Court,
760
00:40:00,647 --> 00:40:04,026
and it's been used over the years
for Hammer horror films.
761
00:40:04,192 --> 00:40:07,112
Hammer being
the British horror movie company,
762
00:40:07,279 --> 00:40:09,865
sort of like a Roger Corman equivalent.
763
00:40:12,075 --> 00:40:13,702
But the advantage of that was,
764
00:40:13,869 --> 00:40:16,121
right next door was Bray Studios,
765
00:40:16,288 --> 00:40:18,498
which was quite small,
766
00:40:18,665 --> 00:40:21,084
only half a dozen sound stages.
767
00:40:24,338 --> 00:40:27,799
I wanted to make it
as an homage to Hammer horror,
768
00:40:27,966 --> 00:40:30,552
and so, we chose that studio to do it in.
769
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,722
But it wasn't the best-equipped studio,
770
00:40:33,889 --> 00:40:36,516
and we gave ourselves
a few problems there.
771
00:40:39,519 --> 00:40:41,063
Great Scott!
772
00:40:41,229 --> 00:40:44,024
I think the consequences of that
773
00:40:44,191 --> 00:40:49,738
were that there are elements in the film
where it's like a B-movie.
774
00:40:49,905 --> 00:40:52,574
And sometimes that's deliberate.
775
00:40:52,741 --> 00:40:56,036
For instance, the special effects people
were shocked when I said,
776
00:40:56,203 --> 00:40:58,413
"No, the special effects are too good.
777
00:40:58,580 --> 00:41:00,916
"They've got to be really bad."
778
00:41:05,045 --> 00:41:07,297
Some people think
that's bad film-making,
779
00:41:07,464 --> 00:41:08,632
but actually it's deliberate.
780
00:41:08,799 --> 00:41:11,009
Also, with the Transylvanians,
781
00:41:11,176 --> 00:41:13,720
I didn't want people
who necessarily were like
782
00:41:13,887 --> 00:41:17,432
a sort of Broadway chorus
translated to film.
783
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:21,353
And so, the fact that they
don't dance in synchronicity,
784
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,772
but they actually dance
like people might dance at a party.
785
00:41:23,939 --> 00:41:28,235
Many things that people took to be errors,
786
00:41:28,402 --> 00:41:31,071
they were part of subverting the form.
787
00:41:31,238 --> 00:41:34,032
But there are other times,
because we were actually
788
00:41:34,199 --> 00:41:37,202
on a B-picture budget
and a B-picture schedule,
789
00:41:37,369 --> 00:41:40,497
that it's genuinely a B-picture,
790
00:41:40,664 --> 00:41:42,499
but I can't tell you which were which.
791
00:41:42,666 --> 00:41:44,376
I mean, life is full of contradictions,
792
00:41:44,543 --> 00:41:47,212
and so is the Rocky Horror Picture Show.
793
00:41:47,379 --> 00:41:49,297
I'm really an old-fashioned girl.
794
00:41:49,464 --> 00:41:51,800
I like a beginning, a middle
and an end, you know?
795
00:41:51,967 --> 00:41:54,720
I think that's all it is, really,
is an action story.
796
00:41:54,886 --> 00:41:57,597
It's like Saturday-morning pictures.
In fact, the filming here has,
797
00:41:57,764 --> 00:41:59,599
from time to time,
especially in the laboratory,
798
00:41:59,766 --> 00:42:01,977
got very like Saturday-morning pictures.
It was really good.
799
00:42:02,144 --> 00:42:04,813
♪ It's astounding
800
00:42:04,980 --> 00:42:08,358
♪ Time is fleeting
801
00:42:08,525 --> 00:42:11,403
♪ Madness takes its toll… ♪
802
00:42:13,447 --> 00:42:14,906
The biggest change
was that "Time Warp"
803
00:42:15,073 --> 00:42:17,951
used to come after "Sweet Transvestite",
804
00:42:18,118 --> 00:42:22,456
and when we did the movie,
we decided to put it first.
805
00:42:22,622 --> 00:42:25,542
The nice thing about that is,
there's that party music
806
00:42:25,709 --> 00:42:28,795
as Brad and Janet get into the house
and into the lives of these people,
807
00:42:28,962 --> 00:42:31,590
and it delays Frank's entrance.
808
00:42:31,757 --> 00:42:33,383
And that delay is good,
809
00:42:33,550 --> 00:42:35,761
because holding that back
for another five minutes
810
00:42:35,927 --> 00:42:38,096
is well worth it, really.
Adds to the tension.
811
00:42:38,263 --> 00:42:41,516
♪ And the void would be calling
812
00:42:41,683 --> 00:42:45,687
♪ Let's do the Time Warp again
813
00:42:47,147 --> 00:42:51,359
♪ Let's do the Time Warp again… ♪
814
00:42:53,570 --> 00:42:55,739
It's just a jump to the left.
815
00:42:57,783 --> 00:42:59,201
♪ And then a step
to the ri-i-i-i-ight… ♪
816
00:42:59,367 --> 00:43:01,620
l certainly did have
the idea of it being
817
00:43:01,787 --> 00:43:05,207
more of a dark fairy-tale
than the stage version.
818
00:43:05,373 --> 00:43:08,960
The show is a rock-and-roll show,
and the film is a surreal dream.
819
00:43:09,127 --> 00:43:14,049
And I wanted to take the audience
into a different world
820
00:43:14,216 --> 00:43:18,261
where ambiguity was the norm,
not the exception.
821
00:43:18,428 --> 00:43:22,349
It's a sort of 1970s version
of The Wizard of Oz.
822
00:43:22,516 --> 00:43:25,185
♪ It's so dreamy
823
00:43:25,352 --> 00:43:28,396
♪ Oh, fantasy, free me
824
00:43:28,563 --> 00:43:31,149
♪ So you can't see me… ♪
825
00:43:31,316 --> 00:43:33,735
One thing we always wanted
826
00:43:33,902 --> 00:43:36,029
was that,
even though it went to the big screen,
827
00:43:36,196 --> 00:43:39,908
it never lost the intimacy of the play.
828
00:43:41,076 --> 00:43:43,745
I think, somehow,
we managed to make it on-budget.
829
00:43:43,912 --> 00:43:46,915
It was tough. It was very tough.
There were all sorts of pitfalls.
830
00:43:47,082 --> 00:43:50,669
♪ Like you're under sedation
831
00:43:50,836 --> 00:43:55,715
♪ Let's do the Time Warp again… ♪
832
00:43:55,882 --> 00:43:57,884
The movie was a six-week shoot.
833
00:43:58,051 --> 00:44:01,012
To do a musical in six weeks, unheard of.
834
00:44:01,179 --> 00:44:03,306
We just worked our asses off.
835
00:44:03,473 --> 00:44:06,393
I mean, there's even photos
of Richard on the floor asleep.
836
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,354
It was great but exhausting.
It was very hard work.
837
00:44:09,521 --> 00:44:11,148
♪ He had a pick-up truck…
838
00:44:11,314 --> 00:44:12,732
You know,
we were all very young,
839
00:44:12,899 --> 00:44:14,401
and it was all kind of dangerous.
840
00:44:14,568 --> 00:44:17,863
We were working by the seat of our pants,
really, to get this done.
841
00:44:18,029 --> 00:44:21,992
♪ Let's do the Time Warp again… ♪
842
00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:24,202
It was a very low-budget film.
843
00:44:24,369 --> 00:44:26,705
When I got to London,
I didn't have anywhere to stay,
844
00:44:26,872 --> 00:44:28,582
and I kept moving every two or three days.
845
00:44:28,748 --> 00:44:30,750
I would take my birth-control pills
and my toothbrush,
846
00:44:30,917 --> 00:44:34,171
and I would go into a new apartment,
like, every few days.
847
00:44:34,337 --> 00:44:38,842
It was quick.
I was wet and miserable most of the time.
848
00:44:39,009 --> 00:44:41,845
But I remember
the whole experience being fun.
849
00:44:42,012 --> 00:44:44,055
There was something
about not having money.
850
00:44:44,222 --> 00:44:47,309
And it was so humble
and added to the edginess of it,
851
00:44:47,475 --> 00:44:51,813
because it kept the style
of what the theatre presented.
852
00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:56,484
At the time, we were all still
so astonished to be filming it at all.
853
00:44:56,651 --> 00:44:59,154
And I loved every minute of it.
854
00:44:59,321 --> 00:45:01,531
♪ Let's do the Time Warp again. ♪
855
00:45:14,294 --> 00:45:16,713
Eddie!
856
00:45:24,012 --> 00:45:26,223
Do you remember
meeting Meat Loaf?
857
00:45:26,389 --> 00:45:28,475
I thought he was marvellous in the part.
858
00:45:28,642 --> 00:45:31,019
He got it, and, boy, could he sing it.
859
00:45:31,186 --> 00:45:33,688
Whoo!
860
00:45:33,855 --> 00:45:36,691
♪ Whatever happened to Saturday night?
861
00:45:36,858 --> 00:45:38,985
♪ When you dressed up sharp
and you felt all right
862
00:45:39,152 --> 00:45:42,405
♪ It don't seem the same
since cosmic light
863
00:45:42,572 --> 00:45:46,076
♪ Came into my life,
I thought I was divine… ♪
864
00:45:46,243 --> 00:45:49,704
A charming Texan chubster
865
00:45:49,871 --> 00:45:52,332
with the voice of an angel
866
00:45:52,499 --> 00:45:54,918
and the power of a jet taking off.
867
00:45:55,085 --> 00:45:59,089
He is someone that lifted the roof off
when he started singing.
868
00:45:59,256 --> 00:46:01,800
♪ Hot patootie, bless my soul
869
00:46:01,967 --> 00:46:04,594
♪ Really love that rock-and-roll
870
00:46:04,761 --> 00:46:07,931
♪ Hot patootie, bless my soul
871
00:46:08,098 --> 00:46:10,976
♪ I really love that rock-and-roll
872
00:46:11,142 --> 00:46:15,689
Meat Loaf plays
the rockabilly reject monster,
873
00:46:15,855 --> 00:46:19,651
and to furnish multiple monsters
in one film
874
00:46:19,818 --> 00:46:24,906
and to talk about the shifting desires
that people have for certain types
875
00:46:25,073 --> 00:46:29,619
shows us how fickle our kind of
relationship to attractiveness is.
876
00:46:29,786 --> 00:46:33,123
How quickly do we move on
from the one thing that we think we love
877
00:46:33,290 --> 00:46:37,294
to this perfectly-sculpted
shinier version of that?
878
00:46:37,460 --> 00:46:40,005
♪ My head, it used to swim
from the perfume I smelled
879
00:46:40,171 --> 00:46:42,799
♪ My hands kinda fumbled
with her white plastic belt
880
00:46:42,966 --> 00:46:45,969
I felt a psychic connection
with Meat Loaf right away.
881
00:46:46,136 --> 00:46:49,472
Felt like I was looking at
an older version of myself.
882
00:46:49,639 --> 00:46:52,017
I was feeling kind of a time warp,
883
00:46:52,183 --> 00:46:54,477
and I was seeing the possibilities.
Like, "I could do that."
884
00:46:54,644 --> 00:46:57,022
That fellow looks like
he could be my big brother
885
00:46:57,188 --> 00:46:58,690
or my father or something.
886
00:46:58,857 --> 00:47:02,068
Felt like he was in
my hillbilly family tree.
887
00:47:02,235 --> 00:47:06,573
I was like, "That guy is a big boy.
He's a big rocker."
888
00:47:08,366 --> 00:47:11,661
- ♪ Hot patootie
- ♪ Hot patootie, bless my soul
889
00:47:11,828 --> 00:47:14,372
♪ I really love that rock-and-roll. ♪
890
00:47:14,539 --> 00:47:16,499
I'll never forget him.
891
00:47:16,666 --> 00:47:19,794
We were rehearsing, and I go in this day,
892
00:47:19,961 --> 00:47:23,506
and there's this guy, this redneck Texan,
893
00:47:23,673 --> 00:47:26,593
and he said to me, "Hi, hon."
894
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,596
And I thought, "God, who's that?
895
00:47:29,763 --> 00:47:31,056
"Ghastly."
896
00:47:33,058 --> 00:47:37,228
He'd done the show in LA,
but I'd never met him before.
897
00:47:37,395 --> 00:47:41,775
And this Texan, the Loaf, sang.
898
00:47:41,941 --> 00:47:45,570
And I thought, "Oh, my God.“
899
00:47:45,737 --> 00:47:48,239
It was astonishing, that voice.
900
00:47:48,406 --> 00:47:51,409
And then, he came out to me on the set
and told me,
901
00:47:51,576 --> 00:47:55,705
"I was voted the best kisser
in my high school in Texas."
902
00:47:55,872 --> 00:47:57,082
I said, “Really?"
903
00:47:57,248 --> 00:47:59,793
I said, "Well, we'll have to try that."
904
00:47:59,959 --> 00:48:01,336
So, he proceeded.
905
00:48:01,503 --> 00:48:03,797
And I said, "Mm…
906
00:48:03,963 --> 00:48:05,882
"Well, they were right.
907
00:48:06,049 --> 00:48:10,303
"You obviously were the best kisser
in your high school in Texas."
908
00:48:15,225 --> 00:48:17,560
I think I was nine or ten
909
00:48:17,727 --> 00:48:21,940
when my big sister took me
to see Rocky Horror Picture Show.
910
00:48:22,107 --> 00:48:23,483
I think I was a little too young.
911
00:48:23,650 --> 00:48:25,860
I was definitely
the youngest person in the audience,
912
00:48:26,027 --> 00:48:27,320
but it was a trip.
913
00:48:29,114 --> 00:48:32,075
I remember going in,
and it was a party atmosphere,
914
00:48:32,242 --> 00:48:34,369
and everyone was in costume.
915
00:48:34,536 --> 00:48:36,704
And I thought, "This is wild.“
916
00:48:36,871 --> 00:48:39,874
And right from
the beginning of the movie,
917
00:48:40,041 --> 00:48:42,961
with the wedding scene,
I remember people were throwing rice,
918
00:48:43,128 --> 00:48:45,922
and it was like we were
in a wedding party.
919
00:48:46,089 --> 00:48:48,758
And everyone was just laughing
and having such a good time.
920
00:48:48,925 --> 00:48:52,804
And I remember thinking,
"Everyone's already seen this movie,"
921
00:48:52,971 --> 00:48:55,807
because everyone's
doing stuff that is, like,
922
00:48:55,974 --> 00:48:59,310
they couldn't do it if they didn't know
what the next line was in the movie.
923
00:48:59,477 --> 00:49:03,398
So, I just remember being
just as amazed by the audience
924
00:49:03,565 --> 00:49:06,401
as I was by the movie itself, and, uh…
925
00:49:08,278 --> 00:49:10,822
…I knew I was experiencing
something special.
926
00:49:10,989 --> 00:49:13,616
Also, no-one was sitting down.
927
00:49:13,783 --> 00:49:16,119
It was like a rock concert.
928
00:49:16,286 --> 00:49:18,913
People were standing up
almost the whole way through,
929
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,583
and there was a lot of
joy and abandon in that room.
930
00:49:21,749 --> 00:49:23,793
What does it do for you?
931
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,004
It… It just gets me excited every week.
932
00:49:26,171 --> 00:49:29,174
It's just something
I just gotta go every week and do it.
933
00:49:29,340 --> 00:49:32,469
I love that mixture
of rock-and-roll and theatre.
934
00:49:32,635 --> 00:49:34,596
I was taking it in.
935
00:49:34,762 --> 00:49:38,057
I was definitely feeling the rock,
and I was dancing around, jumping around.
936
00:49:38,224 --> 00:49:41,144
Definitely felt like
we're breaking the rules here.
937
00:49:41,311 --> 00:49:43,563
There are some norms being shattered,
938
00:49:43,730 --> 00:49:46,399
and there's some realities
being bent and twisted,
939
00:49:46,566 --> 00:49:48,276
and felt, like, naughty.
940
00:49:48,443 --> 00:49:52,280
There's a few events in my childhood
941
00:49:52,447 --> 00:49:55,492
where I felt like
the course of my life had changed,
942
00:49:55,658 --> 00:49:56,993
and that was one of 'em.
943
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:01,289
Seeing the possibilities
of rock-and-roll music on an audience
944
00:50:01,456 --> 00:50:04,417
and that kind of audience participation
945
00:50:04,584 --> 00:50:08,171
was a major fuse that was lit.
946
00:50:08,338 --> 00:50:10,548
I mean, these songs,
947
00:50:10,715 --> 00:50:12,800
they tickle the soul.
948
00:50:12,967 --> 00:50:15,595
♪ Touch-a, touch-a, touch-a, touch me
949
00:50:15,762 --> 00:50:18,306
♪ I wanna be dirty. ♪
950
00:50:18,473 --> 00:50:22,352
♪ I was feeling done in
951
00:50:23,728 --> 00:50:25,563
♪ Couldn't win… ♪
952
00:50:25,730 --> 00:50:28,483
I was very happy
with the whole cast of the film,
953
00:50:28,650 --> 00:50:31,236
but it was only when we started filming
954
00:50:31,402 --> 00:50:35,990
and I saw Susan Sarandon
through the camera
955
00:50:36,157 --> 00:50:39,035
when I realised
what a career that was going to be.
956
00:50:39,202 --> 00:50:41,246
♪ Into heavy petting
957
00:50:41,412 --> 00:50:45,667
♪ It only leads to trouble and… ♪
958
00:50:45,833 --> 00:50:48,670
Janet was trying
to be loyal to her idiot boyfriend
959
00:50:48,836 --> 00:50:52,715
and at the same time open
to feeling things that she hadn't felt,
960
00:50:52,882 --> 00:50:55,718
experiencing things
she hadn't done before
961
00:50:55,885 --> 00:50:58,638
and uncovering a deep sexuality.
962
00:50:58,805 --> 00:51:01,599
- ♪ More, more, more!
- ♪ I'll put up no resistance… ♪
963
00:51:01,766 --> 00:51:03,810
I think
the movie's about saying yes,
964
00:51:03,977 --> 00:51:05,728
to life and to everything.
965
00:51:05,895 --> 00:51:08,606
♪ I've got an itch to scratch
966
00:51:08,773 --> 00:51:11,776
♪ I need assistance
967
00:51:11,943 --> 00:51:14,612
♪ Touch-a, touch-a, touch-a, touch me
968
00:51:14,779 --> 00:51:17,949
♪ I wanna be dirty… ♪
969
00:51:18,116 --> 00:51:21,202
The character of Janet
and her sexual liberation,
970
00:51:21,369 --> 00:51:24,622
in many respects, it's just about
a woman who's just coming to terms
971
00:51:24,789 --> 00:51:28,251
with being allowed to have sexual energy,
to have sexual desires.
972
00:51:28,418 --> 00:51:31,004
♪ While you pose… ♪
973
00:51:31,170 --> 00:51:33,715
And I think that that was
an important message in the 1970s,
974
00:51:33,881 --> 00:51:38,595
and it coincided with
that era of women's liberation,
975
00:51:38,761 --> 00:51:41,931
especially in the wake of the right
to choose, and reproductive rights.
976
00:51:42,098 --> 00:51:44,434
It was a way of acknowledging, like, wow,
977
00:51:44,601 --> 00:51:46,644
there have been so many
generations of women
978
00:51:46,811 --> 00:51:50,565
who've repressed who they are sexually,
regardless of sexuality,
979
00:51:50,732 --> 00:51:54,235
and Rocky Horror allowed women
980
00:51:54,402 --> 00:51:58,114
to imagine what it would be like
to be an active sexual subject.
981
00:51:58,281 --> 00:52:01,200
♪ Touch-a, touch-a, touch-a, touch me!
982
00:52:01,367 --> 00:52:04,287
-♪ Oh, I wanna be dirty… ♪
-"Touch-A, Touch Me."
983
00:52:04,454 --> 00:52:08,791
Peter, of course,
was just the shyest, quietest.
984
00:52:08,958 --> 00:52:12,545
And I think that was traumatising for him
985
00:52:12,712 --> 00:52:14,505
to have to do that scene with me.
986
00:52:14,672 --> 00:52:17,925
You know, I really had to invite him
to touch-a, touch-a, touch me,
987
00:52:18,092 --> 00:52:20,178
because he was very nervous,
988
00:52:20,345 --> 00:52:22,555
and clearly this was something
989
00:52:22,722 --> 00:52:25,058
that was outside his previous experience.
990
00:52:25,224 --> 00:52:28,269
♪ Creature of the night
991
00:52:28,436 --> 00:52:31,022
♪ Creature of the night. ♪
992
00:52:33,483 --> 00:52:35,902
I'm not an actor by any means,
993
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:38,279
but I just tried to sort of
put whatever I could
994
00:52:38,446 --> 00:52:40,782
into it at the time, that's all.
995
00:52:40,948 --> 00:52:42,450
I was just sort of told,
"Do this and do that,"
996
00:52:42,617 --> 00:52:45,620
and if I had to look miserable,
I did as best I could
997
00:52:45,787 --> 00:52:48,665
to sort of look strained and ghastly.
998
00:52:48,831 --> 00:52:51,125
- You know, whatever I had to do.
- Janet!
999
00:52:51,292 --> 00:52:52,585
- Dr Scott!
- Janet!
1000
00:52:52,752 --> 00:52:53,753
- Brad!
- Rocky!
1001
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,297
Imagine,
he'd never acted before,
1002
00:52:56,464 --> 00:53:00,802
and also he was naked the whole time,
except for one moment in bandages.
1003
00:53:00,968 --> 00:53:02,595
He was magnificent!
1004
00:53:02,762 --> 00:53:04,263
He was the only man with muscles
1005
00:53:04,430 --> 00:53:06,599
in the whole of the United Kingdom,
I might add.
1006
00:53:06,766 --> 00:53:11,562
I was quite insecure about
my talents and abilities, you know?
1007
00:53:11,729 --> 00:53:13,690
Now it turns out I did okay.
1008
00:53:13,856 --> 00:53:16,150
All sort of a bit of a mystery, really.
1009
00:53:21,114 --> 00:53:23,908
There was a lot of joy
in doing the show,
1010
00:53:24,075 --> 00:53:28,037
and while the film was a tough shoot -
which it was -
1011
00:53:28,204 --> 00:53:31,207
there was still a kind of joy.
1012
00:53:31,374 --> 00:53:33,418
The people doing it relished it,
1013
00:53:33,584 --> 00:53:37,422
and some of that relish
translated to the audience.
1014
00:53:37,588 --> 00:53:39,674
The old classic thing of, you know,
1015
00:53:39,841 --> 00:53:42,760
if you enjoy what you're doing,
other people will enjoy watching it.
1016
00:53:44,887 --> 00:53:46,973
I don't know how
you got hold of this.
1017
00:53:47,140 --> 00:53:48,808
-How did you get hold of this?
-Kimi had it
1018
00:53:48,975 --> 00:53:51,686
- in a drawer somewhere.
- Good heavens to Murgatroyd.
1019
00:53:51,853 --> 00:53:53,271
Here we are.
1020
00:53:53,438 --> 00:53:56,107
"How I loved those B-movies.
1021
00:53:56,274 --> 00:54:00,611
"In the '50s, low-budget films
were in a class of their own.
1022
00:54:00,778 --> 00:54:03,406
♪ust how many were made is inestimable.
1023
00:54:03,573 --> 00:54:07,452
" Some dreadful, some excellent,
but most had one thing in common -
1024
00:54:07,618 --> 00:54:10,913
"the style of their acting.
1025
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,959
"Ingredients - direct action,
bad casting, black and white values,
1026
00:54:15,126 --> 00:54:18,671
"comic strip dialogue…
and 100% belief.“
1027
00:54:18,838 --> 00:54:22,383
Oh, my goodness me!
I was far more intelligent than I thought.
1028
00:54:22,550 --> 00:54:24,385
Well, that's what I've been saying.
1029
00:54:24,552 --> 00:54:30,308
The last thing was, there's all
these comments from "I'm Going Home."
1030
00:54:30,475 --> 00:54:32,894
I don't know if you want to read them,
or shall I read a couple to you?
1031
00:54:33,060 --> 00:54:34,729
-Well, go on, you read them.
-Okay.
1032
00:54:34,896 --> 00:54:37,148
So, "I played this
at my husband's funeral.
1033
00:54:37,315 --> 00:54:40,860
"This movie meant a lot to us, but this
song took on new meaning when he died.
1034
00:54:41,027 --> 00:54:44,322
"It gave me good memories
and broke my heart all at the same time.“
1035
00:54:44,489 --> 00:54:47,241
I mean, “I love this song so much.
Actually, the whole movie,
1036
00:54:47,408 --> 00:54:49,535
“but the scene gets me in the feels,
1037
00:54:49,702 --> 00:54:52,038
- "and I cry every time I see it.“
- Heavens.
1038
00:54:52,038 --> 00:54:54,582
"My mum and I used to watch the movie
together, during Halloween.
1039
00:54:54,749 --> 00:54:56,417
“Ever since I was 14, it was tradition.
1040
00:54:56,584 --> 00:54:59,086
"Sadly, she passed away
in January of this year,
1041
00:54:59,253 --> 00:55:00,671
"and I miss her
more than words can express."
1042
00:55:00,838 --> 00:55:02,340
Oh, dear.
You're going to get me going in a moment.
1043
00:55:02,507 --> 00:55:04,300
"This song reminds me of a simpler time,
1044
00:55:04,467 --> 00:55:06,594
"of how I wish I could go back home."
1045
00:55:06,761 --> 00:55:08,638
I mean, it's a lot of…
1046
00:55:08,805 --> 00:55:11,307
This is the reason
I wanted to make the documentary,
1047
00:55:11,474 --> 00:55:15,520
because when you read the comments,
it goes on for pages and pages.
1048
00:55:15,686 --> 00:55:18,314
-Good heavens.
-So, that's why I was like,
1049
00:55:18,481 --> 00:55:21,108
this kind of needs to be
addressed and talked about,
1050
00:55:21,275 --> 00:55:23,903
because it's really touching.
1051
00:55:24,070 --> 00:55:26,113
So, I was wondering, I mean,
obviously, you know, they go on for days.
1052
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,157
Can we watch
the "I'm Going Home" together?
1053
00:55:28,324 --> 00:55:29,867
- If you want to.
- I'd like to.
1054
00:55:30,034 --> 00:55:32,954
I'd like to, 'cause there's
some moments in it which are…
1055
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,957
[Music plays - "I'm Going Home"
1056
00:55:37,083 --> 00:55:39,126
It's such a beautiful song.
1057
00:55:39,293 --> 00:55:42,338
And Tim just sings the crap out of it.
1058
00:55:42,505 --> 00:55:46,592
♪ On the day I went away
1059
00:55:46,759 --> 00:55:49,762
♪ Goodbye… ♪
1060
00:55:49,929 --> 00:55:53,307
And you almost like him
1061
00:55:53,474 --> 00:55:55,101
by the end of the song.
1062
00:55:55,268 --> 00:55:58,312
And you forget
what a horrendous personality he has been
1063
00:55:58,479 --> 00:56:00,731
and how he's ruined people's lives.
1064
00:56:00,898 --> 00:56:03,860
And then, all of a sudden,
he's trying to…
1065
00:56:04,026 --> 00:56:06,279
pull on your heartstrings.
1066
00:56:06,445 --> 00:56:08,322
And he does such a good job of that.
1067
00:56:08,489 --> 00:56:15,913
♪ I may
1068
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,583
♪ 'Cause I've seen
1069
00:56:18,749 --> 00:56:20,793
♪ Oh
1070
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,129
♪ Blue skies
1071
00:56:23,296 --> 00:56:26,507
♪ Through the tears… ♪
1072
00:56:26,674 --> 00:56:31,220
I knew it was a goo die because
it's the most vulnerable he ever is.
1073
00:56:31,387 --> 00:56:33,014
♪ And I realise… ♪
1074
00:56:33,180 --> 00:56:35,516
I really looked forward
to shooting it
1075
00:56:35,683 --> 00:56:38,102
because I knew it was such a good song
1076
00:56:38,269 --> 00:56:41,397
and I wanted to do it right,
do it justice.
1077
00:56:42,732 --> 00:56:45,234
I was aware of the responsibility of that,
1078
00:56:45,401 --> 00:56:47,236
and I loved doing it.
1079
00:56:47,403 --> 00:56:50,990
♪ Like I'm outside in the rain
1080
00:56:51,157 --> 00:56:53,576
♪ Wheeling… ♪
1081
00:56:53,743 --> 00:56:55,578
I do think that's the moment
1082
00:56:55,745 --> 00:56:59,540
that elicits the most sympathy
and understanding for Frank-N-Furter.
1083
00:56:59,707 --> 00:57:02,293
And I believe it's a moment
that lots of people can share,
1084
00:57:02,460 --> 00:57:05,087
where things have spun out of control
1085
00:57:05,254 --> 00:57:07,757
but you see the light
at the end of the tunnel.
1086
00:57:07,924 --> 00:57:11,344
You're going home. You're gonna
go back to what's closest to your heart.
1087
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:13,846
♪ 'Cause I've seen
1088
00:57:14,013 --> 00:57:16,098
♪ Oh
1089
00:57:16,265 --> 00:57:18,601
♪ Blue skies
1090
00:57:18,768 --> 00:57:22,021
♪ Through the tears
1091
00:57:22,188 --> 00:57:23,731
♪ In my eyes… ♪
1092
00:57:23,898 --> 00:57:27,652
The irony of that song
is that he's not going home,
1093
00:57:27,818 --> 00:57:29,320
that he's about to die.
1094
00:57:29,487 --> 00:57:31,322
And then, there's an element to that song
1095
00:57:31,489 --> 00:57:34,116
where he's begging for his life
and he's begging for more,
1096
00:57:34,283 --> 00:57:38,371
just to stay alive
for a few more magical moments.
1097
00:57:38,537 --> 00:57:40,456
And I think we can all relate to that.
1098
00:57:40,623 --> 00:57:43,542
'Cause life is so short
and fleeting and beautiful.
1099
00:57:43,709 --> 00:57:45,878
You want it to go on forever.
1100
00:57:46,045 --> 00:57:50,508
♪ I'm going home
1101
00:57:54,553 --> 00:57:59,016
♪ I'm going
1102
00:57:59,183 --> 00:58:03,437
♪ Home. ♪
1103
00:58:09,068 --> 00:58:10,820
On the last day of the shoot…
1104
00:58:14,699 --> 00:58:16,659
"Finish! It's a wrap!"
1105
00:58:16,826 --> 00:58:19,328
"It's over."
1106
00:58:19,495 --> 00:58:22,289
And I'm leaving, and Jim Sharman said,
1107
00:58:22,456 --> 00:58:24,166
"Pat, just a moment.
Can I talk to you for a minute?"
1108
00:58:24,333 --> 00:58:27,461
I said, "Mm, yeah."
You know, I want to go home.
1109
00:58:27,628 --> 00:58:30,589
And he said, "So, I have this idea."
1110
00:58:31,757 --> 00:58:36,012
ln a dream,
I imagined Pat Quinn's lips
1111
00:58:36,178 --> 00:58:39,765
singing it
to Richard's very androgynous voice
1112
00:58:39,932 --> 00:58:43,185
to create that strange world.
1113
00:58:43,352 --> 00:58:45,896
♪ Michael Rennie was ill
1114
00:58:46,063 --> 00:58:49,233
♪ The day the earth stood still
1115
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:54,321
♪ But he told us where we stand
1116
00:58:54,488 --> 00:58:56,157
So, they said,
"What we're going to do is,
1117
00:58:56,323 --> 00:58:59,118
"we're going to black out
your face completely."
1118
00:58:59,285 --> 00:59:02,038
And they put a cloth over the camera
1119
00:59:02,038 --> 00:59:05,541
and a little cutout thing
focused on just the mouth.
1120
00:59:05,708 --> 00:59:07,251
♪ Then something went wrong… ♪
1121
00:59:07,418 --> 00:59:10,880
But when you sing,
even though you're told to be still,
1122
00:59:11,047 --> 00:59:12,673
your head moves a bit.
1123
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,593
So, the mouth kept going out of focus.
1124
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:19,221
So, they put my head in the clamp
1125
00:59:19,388 --> 00:59:22,349
and screwed it with flaps on the side.
1126
00:59:22,516 --> 00:59:24,643
Couldn't move.
1127
00:59:24,810 --> 00:59:26,312
So, I'm doing that,
1128
00:59:26,479 --> 00:59:30,274
and at the time, my husband
kept ringing and asking for a divorce.
1129
00:59:30,441 --> 00:59:33,235
And I said, "I'm sorry.
Tell him I can't do a divorce today.
1130
00:59:33,402 --> 00:59:35,696
"I'm clamped."
1131
00:59:35,863 --> 00:59:39,116
♪ Double feature
1132
00:59:39,283 --> 00:59:42,328
-♪ Doctor X… ♪
-We'd done the movie,
1133
00:59:42,495 --> 00:59:45,498
and then,
in the beginning of the next year, '75,
1134
00:59:45,664 --> 00:59:47,875
we went to the Belasco,
opened and closed.
1135
00:59:48,042 --> 00:59:49,960
There was a…
1136
00:59:50,127 --> 00:59:53,798
a snobbery that went on
between New York and Los Angeles.
1137
00:59:53,964 --> 00:59:57,468
The fact that
we were coming from LA,
1138
00:59:57,635 --> 00:59:59,678
that was held against us.
1139
00:59:59,845 --> 01:00:04,350
Anything that came out of LA
shouldn't be on Broadway.
1140
01:00:04,517 --> 01:00:08,395
Los Angeles was seen as bling-y
1141
01:00:08,562 --> 01:00:11,565
and ephemeral and cheap
and tacky and tawdry.
1142
01:00:11,732 --> 01:00:16,695
And I had taken
a full-page ad in Billboard that said,
1143
01:00:16,862 --> 01:00:19,365
"Give our regards to Broadway
1144
01:00:19,532 --> 01:00:23,285
"and tell them that
Rocky is on its way."
1145
01:00:23,452 --> 01:00:25,538
They hated it.
1146
01:00:25,704 --> 01:00:28,249
They hated that, they hated me.
1147
01:00:28,415 --> 01:00:31,502
He said, "Look out, New York.
Tell 'em Rocky is coming."
1148
01:00:31,669 --> 01:00:35,881
You know, blah, blah, blah.
"Here's the hit from London and LA."
1149
01:00:36,048 --> 01:00:38,884
And I think they said, "Well, we're here
to tell you that it isn't, you see?
1150
01:00:39,051 --> 01:00:42,346
"How dare you? How dare you have
the temerity to tell us it's a hit.
1151
01:00:42,513 --> 01:00:45,432
"Because that's what we…
that's what we decide.
1152
01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:46,976
“And we're here to tell you it isn't."
1153
01:00:47,143 --> 01:00:49,019
Which was a great shame.
It was a good show.
1154
01:00:49,186 --> 01:00:52,898
We didn't have
a really good chance going in.
1155
01:00:53,065 --> 01:00:56,902
I think we ran 40 days.
We could have closed the first night.
1156
01:00:57,069 --> 01:00:59,113
The first time the reviews came out,
1157
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,991
there was no chance
of overriding the reviews.
1158
01:01:02,158 --> 01:01:03,576
It was over.
1159
01:01:05,244 --> 01:01:09,415
When the play
closed in Manhattan…
1160
01:01:09,582 --> 01:01:12,710
it was like somebody had
let all the air out of a balloon.
1161
01:01:12,877 --> 01:01:16,046
It sucked all the energy out of me.
I know that.
1162
01:01:17,882 --> 01:01:20,092
I remember
we were standing on 44th Street.
1163
01:01:20,259 --> 01:01:22,303
I was outside my hotel
1164
01:01:22,469 --> 01:01:25,681
and opposite the hotel
where Tim was staying.
1165
01:01:25,848 --> 01:01:27,725
And I said,
"Well, I guess that's it, really."
1166
01:01:27,892 --> 01:01:30,477
I said, "But it's been a great ride
for three years, hasn't it?"
1167
01:01:30,644 --> 01:01:32,563
He went, "Yep, absolutely.
It's been a great ride for three years."
1168
01:01:32,730 --> 01:01:35,107
And that was kind of it.
1169
01:01:38,652 --> 01:01:40,571
We completed the film,
1170
01:01:40,738 --> 01:01:46,118
and I presented it
to the marketing and sales department
1171
01:01:46,285 --> 01:01:48,329
of 20th Century Fox.
1172
01:01:48,495 --> 01:01:50,331
Maybe 100 people.
1173
01:01:50,497 --> 01:01:52,708
The film ended.
1174
01:01:52,875 --> 01:01:54,960
Silence.
1175
01:01:55,127 --> 01:01:58,088
A deafening silence.
1176
01:01:58,255 --> 01:02:01,675
And then, slowly…
each person would get up.
1177
01:02:01,842 --> 01:02:03,552
Nobody said anything to me.
1178
01:02:03,719 --> 01:02:06,263
When this film was first released,
it was a flop.
1179
01:02:07,848 --> 01:02:11,560
The film was released
in the United States
1180
01:02:11,727 --> 01:02:14,396
in September of 1975
1181
01:02:14,563 --> 01:02:17,608
and was quickly withdrawn
before the end of October.
1182
01:02:17,775 --> 01:02:20,694
It opened and shut like a door.
1183
01:02:20,861 --> 01:02:22,821
It was enormously disappointing.
1184
01:02:22,988 --> 01:02:26,408
The show was a gigantic hit,
and then the movie comes out
1185
01:02:26,575 --> 01:02:28,202
and it flopped.
It just didn't make any sense.
1186
01:02:28,369 --> 01:02:31,455
You know,
you put so much into something.
1187
01:02:31,622 --> 01:02:33,832
You think that an audience
is going to get it immediately
1188
01:02:33,999 --> 01:02:36,794
and embrace it
and the film will make zillions.
1189
01:02:37,962 --> 01:02:40,673
I was miserable
that the film was a flop.
1190
01:02:40,839 --> 01:02:42,967
I took it quite personally.
1191
01:02:44,635 --> 01:02:47,263
Which is arrogant of me, but…
1192
01:02:48,472 --> 01:02:49,598
…I did.
1193
01:02:52,059 --> 01:02:54,520
Films at
that time at the studios,
1194
01:02:54,687 --> 01:02:56,855
they would preview it,
1195
01:02:57,022 --> 01:03:01,026
and they even went as far as
having the audience fill out cards.
1196
01:03:01,193 --> 01:03:04,655
And we previewed in Santa Barbara.
1197
01:03:04,822 --> 01:03:08,450
Santa Barbara is an interesting place
1198
01:03:08,617 --> 01:03:12,371
in that it's a heavy college town
1199
01:03:12,538 --> 01:03:17,668
and a heavy sort of wealthy,
retired, older crowd.
1200
01:03:17,835 --> 01:03:21,171
That combination
came to see Rocky Horror.
1201
01:03:21,338 --> 01:03:23,674
Halfway through the film,
1202
01:03:23,841 --> 01:03:26,427
we had lost half the audience.
1203
01:03:28,470 --> 01:03:31,015
The only executive at that time
1204
01:03:31,181 --> 01:03:34,601
that came to see the preview
was Tim Deegan,
1205
01:03:34,768 --> 01:03:38,772
who was a young executive
at 20th Century Fox.
1206
01:03:39,898 --> 01:03:42,401
By the end of the film, Tim and I,
1207
01:03:42,568 --> 01:03:45,904
despondent, obviously, really down,
1208
01:03:46,071 --> 01:03:50,159
went and sat on a curb
outside of the theatre,
1209
01:03:50,326 --> 01:03:52,703
trying to figure out what to do next.
1210
01:03:52,870 --> 01:03:55,372
And people started coming up with us.
1211
01:03:55,539 --> 01:03:59,043
The college-aged kids came up to us
1212
01:03:59,209 --> 01:04:02,838
and said really encouraging,
positive things,
1213
01:04:03,005 --> 01:04:05,341
which let us know…
1214
01:04:05,507 --> 01:04:08,886
we had a film…for an audience.
1215
01:04:09,053 --> 01:04:11,221
We had to find that audience.
1216
01:04:13,432 --> 01:04:16,226
Tim Deegan
had a friend in New York
1217
01:04:16,393 --> 01:04:19,021
who was an exhibitor,
1218
01:04:19,188 --> 01:04:22,024
and between the two of them,
they suggested,
1219
01:04:22,191 --> 01:04:24,818
why don't we run the film at midnight?
1220
01:04:28,113 --> 01:04:30,908
It can't hurt anybody
at that point.
1221
01:04:31,075 --> 01:04:33,452
Fox will go along with it.
1222
01:04:34,578 --> 01:04:38,665
"That might be the audience
that'll come to see it.
1223
01:04:38,832 --> 01:04:40,209
"Let's try it."
1224
01:04:41,668 --> 01:04:44,671
The midnight screening
at the Waverly took place
1225
01:04:44,838 --> 01:04:49,510
on April Fool's Day - April 1st, 1976.
1226
01:04:52,638 --> 01:04:57,101
I remember
it also opened in Austin,
1227
01:04:57,267 --> 01:05:01,271
so Tim and I split the two areas.
1228
01:05:01,438 --> 01:05:04,108
He would call New York
to see how it was doing,
1229
01:05:04,274 --> 01:05:07,111
and I would call Austin, Texas.
1230
01:05:07,277 --> 01:05:09,613
And I'd get a hold of the manager.
1231
01:05:09,780 --> 01:05:12,908
And I said,
"I'm gonna call you every Monday."
1232
01:05:14,284 --> 01:05:16,703
About the third call,
I said, "How's it doing?"
1233
01:05:16,870 --> 01:05:19,081
He said, "About 50 people."
1234
01:05:19,248 --> 01:05:20,999
I said, "50 people?"
1235
01:05:21,166 --> 01:05:24,086
He said, "Yeah, but what's interesting,
1236
01:05:24,253 --> 01:05:27,881
"it's the same 50 people every week.“
1237
01:05:28,048 --> 01:05:29,675
Barn.
1238
01:05:29,842 --> 01:05:33,262
We want Rocky!
We want Rocky!
1239
01:05:35,264 --> 01:05:37,933
There was an audience
that was interested in it
1240
01:05:38,100 --> 01:05:39,977
and wanted to see it.
1241
01:05:40,144 --> 01:05:42,980
We just had to
take our time to get to it.
1242
01:05:43,147 --> 01:05:44,940
Not by advertising it.
1243
01:05:45,107 --> 01:05:47,651
Word of mouth. Show it.
1244
01:05:47,818 --> 01:05:51,947
If that audience is out there,
if we could keep the film going
1245
01:05:52,114 --> 01:05:54,950
at whatever locations we could get,
1246
01:05:54,950 --> 01:05:56,743
the audience could find the film.
1247
01:05:59,246 --> 01:06:01,874
It worked the other way,
that the audience found it
1248
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:03,834
and embraced it
1249
01:06:04,001 --> 01:06:06,962
and made it into
something completely different.
1250
01:06:07,129 --> 01:06:10,424
- It's great! It's just different!
- It's great!
1251
01:06:10,591 --> 01:06:11,884
It's excellent!
1252
01:06:12,050 --> 01:06:14,595
It's different than
any other movie I've ever seen.
1253
01:06:14,761 --> 01:06:16,680
There was a great excitement.
1254
01:06:16,847 --> 01:06:19,141
There was energy
in the air of the theatre,
1255
01:06:19,308 --> 01:06:22,352
outside the theatre,
surrounding the theatre.
1256
01:06:22,519 --> 01:06:28,150
Everything to do with Rocky Horror
was fresh, new, innovative.
1257
01:06:28,317 --> 01:06:32,863
It was a different crowd,
very special.
1258
01:06:33,030 --> 01:06:36,325
Not only enjoying the film,
1259
01:06:36,492 --> 01:06:40,913
but enjoying the other people
that were coming to the film.
1260
01:06:41,079 --> 01:06:42,498
That was growing.
1261
01:06:42,664 --> 01:06:44,750
That was a place for them to go
1262
01:06:44,917 --> 01:06:48,795
to find people like they were
1263
01:06:48,962 --> 01:06:52,090
and enjoying the things that they liked.
1264
01:06:52,257 --> 01:06:54,426
This is an excellent movie.
It really is.
1265
01:06:54,593 --> 01:06:57,012
- It's a cult film.
- And we're all quite normal, really.
1266
01:06:57,179 --> 01:07:00,682
I mean,
to imagine that these people
1267
01:07:00,849 --> 01:07:03,685
were having that kind of experience
1268
01:07:03,852 --> 01:07:07,689
and that kind of fun watching a film
1269
01:07:07,856 --> 01:07:09,399
is unbelievable,
1270
01:07:09,566 --> 01:07:11,693
because there's nothing else like it.
1271
01:07:11,860 --> 01:07:14,696
I think the movie
is a total sexual experience
1272
01:07:14,863 --> 01:07:17,449
that I'd like to
relive and relive and relive.
1273
01:07:17,616 --> 01:07:20,661
By the end of 1978,
1274
01:07:20,827 --> 01:07:23,163
there were 50 prints in circulation,
1275
01:07:23,330 --> 01:07:25,499
and then it escalated from there.
1276
01:07:25,666 --> 01:07:28,502
And after the first year,
I was talking to one of the owners,
1277
01:07:28,669 --> 01:07:30,879
and I thought, "Well, gee,
this picture just can't go on this long.
1278
01:07:31,046 --> 01:07:33,590
"We've got to be looking for something
else to come in and take its place."
1279
01:07:33,757 --> 01:07:37,886
And, boy, I'll admit,
I was absolutely wrong. It kept on going.
1280
01:07:38,053 --> 01:07:39,596
It built,
and it's bigger than it ever was,
1281
01:07:39,763 --> 01:07:43,225
to the point where we're turning away
between 150 to 200 people
1282
01:07:43,392 --> 01:07:44,601
on every performance.
1283
01:07:44,768 --> 01:07:48,021
Amer} At one point, in Los Angeles,
1284
01:07:48,188 --> 01:07:51,358
the Tiffany Theatre
was running Rocky Horror.
1285
01:07:51,525 --> 01:07:54,903
They were running it at midnight,
2:00 in the morning
1286
01:07:55,070 --> 01:07:58,115
and 4:00 in the morning, sometimes.
1287
01:07:58,282 --> 01:08:01,577
So, even though
we were at these odd times,
1288
01:08:01,743 --> 01:08:05,622
they were still getting
their three showings out of it.
1289
01:08:05,789 --> 01:08:09,501
Everybody was amazed
at that kind of success.
1290
01:08:09,668 --> 01:08:14,298
We could not have sustained an audience
1291
01:08:14,464 --> 01:08:16,758
and given them what they wanted -
1292
01:08:16,925 --> 01:08:20,470
the experience - running during the day.
1293
01:08:20,637 --> 01:08:23,974
We couldn't have done it with normal…
normal showings.
1294
01:08:24,141 --> 01:08:27,185
It's the only movie I've ever heard of,
too, with a fan club.
1295
01:08:27,352 --> 01:08:29,605
How did it come to be a cult classic,
do you think?
1296
01:08:29,771 --> 01:08:31,898
I have no idea.
I wish I did know. I wish…
1297
01:08:32,065 --> 01:08:34,026
I'm sure a lot of people
wish they did know.
1298
01:08:36,862 --> 01:08:39,990
The development of the cult
and the rituals around the film
1299
01:08:40,157 --> 01:08:44,077
were a kind of snowball effect
that picked up velocity.
1300
01:08:44,244 --> 01:08:46,330
The way that the story goes is that
1301
01:08:46,496 --> 01:08:49,625
it was somewhere around
Labour Day of 1976
1302
01:08:49,791 --> 01:08:53,503
that the shout-outs began.
1303
01:08:53,670 --> 01:08:57,341
One of the legends is, a guy named
Lou Farese Jr shouted at the screen
1304
01:08:57,507 --> 01:09:01,219
when Janet was getting out of the car
and shielding her head with a newspaper.
1305
01:09:01,386 --> 01:09:03,805
"Buy an umbrella, you cheap bitch!“
1306
01:09:05,307 --> 01:09:08,894
And then, other people
began to contribute their shout-outs,
1307
01:09:09,061 --> 01:09:11,021
and if it was funny, it stuck.
1308
01:09:11,188 --> 01:09:13,440
Knew I should have
gotten that spare tire fixed.
1309
01:09:13,607 --> 01:09:15,108
Asshole!
1310
01:09:15,275 --> 01:09:18,904
So, a second script
began to be written
1311
01:09:19,071 --> 01:09:21,823
and superimposed over the original script.
1312
01:09:21,990 --> 01:09:24,618
What followed from that, then,
were costumes.
1313
01:09:24,785 --> 01:09:27,746
I'm Dori Hartley,
and I'm dressed as Frank.
1314
01:09:27,913 --> 01:09:29,706
Occasionally, I am Frank.
1315
01:09:29,873 --> 01:09:32,834
Notably for Halloween
performances of Rocky at first,
1316
01:09:33,001 --> 01:09:36,380
and then just
every time it was being shown.
1317
01:09:36,546 --> 01:09:37,881
Then you had the introduction of props.
1318
01:09:38,048 --> 01:09:40,634
We have the toilet paper.
Newspaper here.
1319
01:09:40,801 --> 01:09:43,220
A flash-light. Rice.
1320
01:09:43,387 --> 01:09:45,972
A squirt-gun. Toast.
1321
01:09:46,139 --> 01:09:48,475
So, people would come up with
rice for the wedding scene,
1322
01:09:48,642 --> 01:09:50,602
and squirt-guns for when it was raining,
1323
01:09:50,769 --> 01:09:53,522
and lighters where there's a light
over at the Frankenstein place,
1324
01:09:53,689 --> 01:09:55,982
which were quickly barred
from many locations.
1325
01:09:56,149 --> 01:09:58,652
Now, we have a special warning
from the management tonight.
1326
01:09:58,819 --> 01:10:02,197
No lit candles, and no throwing of food
at the screen, understand?
1327
01:10:02,364 --> 01:10:03,782
Get on with the show!
1328
01:10:03,949 --> 01:10:05,909
Hey, this is the fucking show, buddy!
1329
01:10:06,076 --> 01:10:08,537
And if you don't like it,
go see the movie at Staten Island!
1330
01:10:09,788 --> 01:10:11,289
From there,
then we get the introduction
1331
01:10:11,456 --> 01:10:14,751
of the shadow cast in 1977,
1332
01:10:14,918 --> 01:10:18,880
which began in New York
at the 8th Street Playhouse,
1333
01:10:19,047 --> 01:10:21,675
which is also the birth
of the Rocky Horror Fan Club
1334
01:10:21,842 --> 01:10:24,302
but then began to spread out.
1335
01:10:24,469 --> 01:10:26,096
So, it's this snowball effect,
1336
01:10:26,263 --> 01:10:29,558
which goes from shout-outs to costumes
1337
01:10:29,725 --> 01:10:32,352
to props to the shadow cast.
1338
01:10:35,856 --> 01:10:39,234
Having turned theatres
in to haunted cinemas,
1339
01:10:39,401 --> 01:10:43,113
the notion of
turning cinemas into theatres
1340
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:46,241
with people throwing things
and talking back
1341
01:10:46,408 --> 01:10:48,452
struck me as a pretty good idea.
1342
01:10:49,786 --> 01:10:52,539
It's interesting
that the Rocky Horror Show,
1343
01:10:52,706 --> 01:10:54,458
from the absolute first performance,
1344
01:10:54,624 --> 01:10:57,794
was performed in front of a screen.
1345
01:10:57,961 --> 01:11:02,090
And so, we now had
the audience perform Rocky Horror
1346
01:11:02,257 --> 01:11:05,385
in front of a screen
which is showing Rocky Horror.
1347
01:11:07,053 --> 01:11:09,806
Once the participation started,
1348
01:11:09,973 --> 01:11:12,851
without us doing anything about it,
1349
01:11:13,018 --> 01:11:16,980
it was spreading
to the other theatres in other cities.
1350
01:11:17,147 --> 01:11:20,192
Out of Austin, out of New York, Chicago.
1351
01:11:20,358 --> 01:11:23,153
Once it started to happen,
it steam-rolled.
1352
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:26,364
Was there a script originally
written to tell the audience what to do?
1353
01:11:26,531 --> 01:11:28,033
-Oh, no, no. That all…
-That all evolved.
1354
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:29,534
Yeah, that just all evolved.
1355
01:11:30,994 --> 01:11:32,829
When you're thinking
about the 1970s,
1356
01:11:32,996 --> 01:11:36,666
we're pre-social media.
There's no internet. There's no TikTok.
1357
01:11:36,833 --> 01:11:39,294
So, how did these things
go from place to place?
1358
01:11:39,461 --> 01:11:43,256
What happened is that somebody would visit
New York City and see a midnight showing
1359
01:11:43,423 --> 01:11:46,384
and then take it back with them
to someplace else.
1360
01:11:47,844 --> 01:11:51,306
Also in 1977,
you have the beginning of the fan club,
1361
01:11:51,473 --> 01:11:53,809
which had a newsletter
that was associated with it,
1362
01:11:53,975 --> 01:11:57,354
which became a way to communicate
with lots of different Rocky fans.
1363
01:11:58,772 --> 01:12:01,316
So it's this organic process,
almost rhizomatic,
1364
01:12:01,483 --> 01:12:04,820
of spreading out from place to place,
with New York as the epicentre
1365
01:12:04,986 --> 01:12:06,696
and then spreading across the country,
1366
01:12:06,863 --> 01:12:08,740
and then from there to other countries.
1367
01:12:11,368 --> 01:12:14,079
The reason that I like Rocky Horror
is my brother Sal,
1368
01:12:14,246 --> 01:12:15,872
who's president of the fan club,
1369
01:12:16,039 --> 01:12:18,917
brought me to it two years ago,
to the Waverly.
1370
01:12:19,084 --> 01:12:22,212
So, I just enjoyed it, and I decided
that I had to be a part of this
1371
01:12:22,379 --> 01:12:24,256
and that I wanted to dress up as Magenta.
1372
01:12:27,175 --> 01:12:30,220
My brother, Sal,
came home to our mother's home
1373
01:12:30,387 --> 01:12:34,266
and he said, "I saw this amazing movie."
1374
01:12:34,432 --> 01:12:38,770
He was so animated
and so passionate about this film,
1375
01:12:38,937 --> 01:12:42,190
and he said to me,
“Don't worry, I'll take you.
1376
01:12:42,357 --> 01:12:44,818
"I will get you in the city.
We'll get you there."
1377
01:12:44,985 --> 01:12:46,736
Because now I wanted to see it.
1378
01:12:49,072 --> 01:12:51,616
When I first
walked into the Village,
1379
01:12:51,783 --> 01:12:53,577
there was a lot of excitement in the air,
1380
01:12:53,743 --> 01:12:57,080
and I really didn't know
what I was gonna see.
1381
01:12:58,456 --> 01:13:02,210
Tim Curry turning
around in that elevator,
1382
01:13:02,377 --> 01:13:05,881
that image, that make-up,
the lips was like…
1383
01:13:06,047 --> 01:13:07,215
I became alive.
1384
01:13:07,382 --> 01:13:08,884
It just preaches a lot to me.
1385
01:13:09,050 --> 01:13:12,429
It preaches a lot
of liberation and freedom
1386
01:13:12,596 --> 01:13:14,890
and happiness and joy and love.
1387
01:13:15,056 --> 01:13:17,684
And the whole cult has become a phenomenon
1388
01:13:17,851 --> 01:13:20,312
of love amongst ourselves, you know?
1389
01:13:21,354 --> 01:13:25,567
Rocky allowed you that freedom
to live out your dreams.
1390
01:13:25,734 --> 01:13:30,864
It allowed you
to be crazy and wild and sexy.
1391
01:13:31,031 --> 01:13:33,491
I feel very uncomfortable in this outfit.
1392
01:13:34,910 --> 01:13:36,995
Would you mind
taking this microphone here?
1393
01:13:37,162 --> 01:13:39,831
I think Sal is getting…
1394
01:13:44,294 --> 01:13:47,505
Sal ate,
drank and slept Rocky Horror.
1395
01:13:47,672 --> 01:13:52,260
And in an era
where it was dangerous to be gay,
1396
01:13:52,427 --> 01:13:55,513
he was openly and proudly gay.
1397
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:59,976
He made no excuses
for who he was or what he was doing.
1398
01:14:00,143 --> 01:14:02,812
So, it was never an accident
1399
01:14:02,979 --> 01:14:04,856
that he was going to start
1400
01:14:05,023 --> 01:14:07,901
the audience participation to this film
and keep it going.
1401
01:14:08,068 --> 01:14:10,528
This looks like a kind of
special crowd of people, though.
1402
01:14:10,695 --> 01:14:12,614
- Who are they?
- It's a community, you know?
1403
01:14:12,781 --> 01:14:15,533
It's a community
of people who all come together.
1404
01:14:15,700 --> 01:14:17,702
They don't dream it any more, they be it,
1405
01:14:17,869 --> 01:14:20,830
-which is what the movie says.
-Yeah!
1406
01:14:24,834 --> 01:14:26,503
It was organic how it happened,
1407
01:14:26,670 --> 01:14:29,089
and Sal was sort of like the big papa.
1408
01:14:29,255 --> 01:14:33,510
I mean, he really was very parental,
and it was like I found my tribe
1409
01:14:33,677 --> 01:14:35,303
and I belonged to some place.
1410
01:14:35,470 --> 01:14:38,390
And I was a runaway,
so I needed to belong.
1411
01:14:38,556 --> 01:14:41,685
I had survived a lot of
sexual abuse when I was a kid,
1412
01:14:41,851 --> 01:14:44,354
so I ran away from home and…
1413
01:14:44,521 --> 01:14:47,816
and I was on the streets,
pulling tricks on the street.
1414
01:14:47,983 --> 01:14:51,111
I was making my way no matter how I had…
1415
01:14:51,277 --> 01:14:54,197
I just didn't want to go home,
'cause home was not good.
1416
01:14:54,364 --> 01:14:57,575
It was the '80s, it was AIDS,
and it was rampant.
1417
01:14:57,742 --> 01:15:00,704
And I'm, today, healthy.
I'm HIV-negative.
1418
01:15:00,870 --> 01:15:05,375
And I credit a lot of that to Rocky,
because, you know, I was safe.
1419
01:15:05,542 --> 01:15:08,878
I was locked in a theatre
from 10:00 till 4:00 in the morning
1420
01:15:09,045 --> 01:15:10,588
every Friday and Saturday night,
1421
01:15:10,755 --> 01:15:13,049
whereas I could have been doing
all sorts of shit.
1422
01:15:15,176 --> 01:15:16,928
And then we would all leave there
at 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning
1423
01:15:17,095 --> 01:15:19,681
and go to a diner,
and we would fill up a diner.
1424
01:15:19,848 --> 01:15:21,933
And then, we'd always end on the sunrise.
1425
01:15:22,100 --> 01:15:23,977
Like, we would go home
at 6:00 in the morning.
1426
01:15:24,144 --> 01:15:26,354
Five days a week, I'm a nurse,
1427
01:15:26,521 --> 01:15:29,733
and two nights a week, I'm a star,
and it levels out my life.
1428
01:15:31,609 --> 01:15:33,403
I'm so thankful that we…
1429
01:15:33,570 --> 01:15:36,698
Like, what a wonderful way to…
1430
01:15:36,865 --> 01:15:38,408
to grow up, you know?
1431
01:15:38,575 --> 01:15:41,578
And I grew up in there.
It was so beautiful.
1432
01:15:41,745 --> 01:15:44,039
It's good for people
to come and be able to do this
1433
01:15:44,205 --> 01:15:46,750
-instead of anything else.
-Yeah!
1434
01:15:46,916 --> 01:15:49,878
It's very good. It's good, right?!
1435
01:15:50,045 --> 01:15:52,047
It's good!
1436
01:15:54,466 --> 01:15:58,219
Many young queer folks
used Rocky Horror
1437
01:15:58,386 --> 01:16:02,098
as a place of belonging
in a suburban space
1438
01:16:02,265 --> 01:16:06,519
that demanded
they perform a more normal front.
1439
01:16:06,686 --> 01:16:09,272
And Rocky Horror was the gateway
1440
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:11,316
for many of them, for many of us,
1441
01:16:11,483 --> 01:16:15,862
to find people with whom we could grow,
1442
01:16:16,029 --> 01:16:17,822
to find people we could trust,
1443
01:16:17,989 --> 01:16:21,534
in and a midst our most abject fears.
1444
01:16:21,701 --> 01:16:26,122
You know, people talk about
dancing like nobody's watching
1445
01:16:26,289 --> 01:16:28,416
and I think that that's really the vibe
1446
01:16:28,583 --> 01:16:30,794
that you get at a Rocky Horror screening.
1447
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:33,171
And not just that nobody's watching,
1448
01:16:33,338 --> 01:16:36,800
but that everybody else is dancing along
with you, and you all don't really care.
1449
01:16:36,966 --> 01:16:41,638
I'd just like to say thank you
very much for coming tonight,
1450
01:16:41,805 --> 01:16:44,307
and, uh…
1451
01:16:44,474 --> 01:16:47,185
…thank you for all being
completely insane.
1452
01:16:49,104 --> 01:16:53,817
When was your
first experience seeing it with a crowd?
1453
01:16:53,983 --> 01:16:57,821
I think… I suppose the
first time was seeing it at Long Island.
1454
01:16:57,987 --> 01:17:00,698
There was a convention in a big hall,
and there were,
1455
01:17:00,865 --> 01:17:04,369
I would think, about at least
a thousand people there.
1456
01:17:04,536 --> 01:17:09,332
And we all went out on stage
and did a QandA with the audience.
1457
01:17:09,499 --> 01:17:12,877
And then,
they showed the movie on a big stage,
1458
01:17:13,044 --> 01:17:15,672
and there was
a lot of space in front of it.
1459
01:17:15,839 --> 01:17:18,758
And a girl called Dori Hartley,
1460
01:17:18,925 --> 01:17:21,094
who was a Frank-N-Furter impersonator,
1461
01:17:21,261 --> 01:17:24,222
and when it got to that
"I'm Going Home" moment…
1462
01:17:29,686 --> 01:17:33,314
..she looked exactly like him.
The make-up, perfect.
1463
01:17:33,481 --> 01:17:37,902
And she sat on the front of the stage,
and someone had put a spotlight on her.
1464
01:17:38,069 --> 01:17:41,698
And it was astonishing,
because there was the movie up there
1465
01:17:41,865 --> 01:17:43,908
with Tim singing “I'm Going Home"
1466
01:17:44,075 --> 01:17:45,869
and doing this with the eye make-up.
1467
01:17:46,035 --> 01:17:51,124
And there's a real live person
in a bright spotlight
1468
01:17:51,291 --> 01:17:53,084
doing the same movements.
1469
01:17:53,251 --> 01:17:55,336
And her silhouette
1470
01:17:55,503 --> 01:17:58,506
was exactly the same size
as Frank-N-Furter.
1471
01:17:59,591 --> 01:18:02,302
And the audience was singing the refrains.
1472
01:18:02,468 --> 01:18:05,805
And you're going,
"This is theatre at its very best."
1473
01:18:05,972 --> 01:18:09,017
You couldn't… We couldn't have…
1474
01:18:09,184 --> 01:18:10,810
rehearsed and organised this.
1475
01:18:10,977 --> 01:18:12,562
This is a spontaneous moment
1476
01:18:12,729 --> 01:18:15,690
where live theatre and audience -
1477
01:18:15,857 --> 01:18:20,361
live audience and cinema -
have come together like that,
1478
01:18:20,528 --> 01:18:23,323
in a way that I've never seen before.
1479
01:18:23,489 --> 01:18:25,909
It was quite remarkable.
1480
01:18:26,075 --> 01:18:29,078
[Music - "Rose Tint My World"
1481
01:18:37,086 --> 01:18:40,673
think for the shadow cast,
it's almost like their own process
1482
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:44,385
of becoming who they want to be,
or who they desired they could be.
1483
01:18:44,552 --> 01:18:47,639
♪ It was great when it all began… ♪
1484
01:18:47,805 --> 01:18:49,349
It's not to say that
everyone in the shadow cast
1485
01:18:49,515 --> 01:18:51,851
has a hidden or secret identity,
1486
01:18:52,018 --> 01:18:53,895
but I think that what the film opens
1487
01:18:54,062 --> 01:18:58,316
is a way of imagining
our desires as something
1488
01:18:58,483 --> 01:19:01,653
that we should pursue and not repress,
and that message speaks very loudly,
1489
01:19:01,819 --> 01:19:04,572
especially to American audiences
1490
01:19:04,739 --> 01:19:07,617
who've always kind of
struggled with that aspect
1491
01:19:07,784 --> 01:19:09,535
of their own desires,
their own compulsions,
1492
01:19:09,702 --> 01:19:11,746
and stretching beyond what's normal.
1493
01:19:11,913 --> 01:19:14,916
♪ Keeps me safe
from my trouble and pain… ♪
1494
01:19:15,083 --> 01:19:18,086
New York City,
let me hear you fucking scream!
1495
01:19:21,881 --> 01:19:23,633
Now we have to
talk about a problem.
1496
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:27,303
It's the fact that there's way too many
fucking virgins in this audience!
1497
01:19:28,805 --> 01:19:30,348
What we mean by a virgin here
1498
01:19:30,515 --> 01:19:33,226
is that if you've never seen this movie
on the great white screen,
1499
01:19:33,393 --> 01:19:34,602
now that's a virgin.
1500
01:19:34,769 --> 01:19:37,313
If you've seen this movie
on DVD, VHS, Betamax,
1501
01:19:37,480 --> 01:19:39,315
if you had really weird parents,
Netflix, Hulu,
1502
01:19:39,482 --> 01:19:42,026
streamed it online,
it's masturbation, all right?
1503
01:19:42,193 --> 01:19:43,820
And it doesn't count for shit.
1504
01:19:43,987 --> 01:19:46,614
You need to see this movie
in a theatre, with a cast,
1505
01:19:46,781 --> 01:19:48,992
and one hell of a motherfucking audience!
1506
01:19:52,996 --> 01:19:55,873
♪ It's beyond me… ♪
1507
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:59,085
I think
19-year-old me knew who I was
1508
01:19:59,252 --> 01:20:01,671
but didn't think I could
publicly be all of that.
1509
01:20:01,838 --> 01:20:04,674
And so, to be able to build
a foundation of confidence
1510
01:20:04,841 --> 01:20:08,928
and self-courage
to then go into more public spaces
1511
01:20:09,095 --> 01:20:10,930
and be really firm about like,
"No, this is what I go by,
1512
01:20:11,097 --> 01:20:14,309
“and this is how you will refer to me,"
is so incredibly important.
1513
01:20:14,475 --> 01:20:17,228
♪ I feel sexy… ♪
1514
01:20:17,395 --> 01:20:19,105
We are going on
seven years now
1515
01:20:19,272 --> 01:20:20,982
since Flustered Mustard started up.
1516
01:20:21,149 --> 01:20:24,652
Being from Missouri, we actually target
a lot of really conservative small towns.
1517
01:20:24,819 --> 01:20:29,157
And in a town that may see
20 people on a Saturday night,
1518
01:20:29,324 --> 01:20:31,617
you've got 500 people
driving in from hours away.
1519
01:20:31,784 --> 01:20:33,453
When we find those small towns,
1520
01:20:33,619 --> 01:20:35,997
it's not like there's just
a huge crop of LGBTQ I A people
1521
01:20:36,164 --> 01:20:38,875
that are just waiting at the door,
waiting to bust in.
1522
01:20:39,042 --> 01:20:40,293
You see people coming in in Trump shirts.
1523
01:20:40,460 --> 01:20:43,296
And all of a sudden,
you see the rainbow shirts.
1524
01:20:43,463 --> 01:20:47,342
And then, you'll see them a couple
months later and they'll be in fishnets.
1525
01:20:47,508 --> 01:20:48,676
And then you'll see
the manager of the theatre
1526
01:20:48,843 --> 01:20:50,303
in a maid outfit
behind the concession stand.
1527
01:20:50,470 --> 01:20:52,889
I mean, it's one of those things
where it's infectious.
1528
01:20:53,056 --> 01:20:55,475
It grows on you. It absolutely does.
1529
01:20:55,641 --> 01:21:00,646
♪ His lust is so sincere. ♪
1530
01:21:00,813 --> 01:21:03,649
The fact that people dress up,
1531
01:21:03,816 --> 01:21:07,737
is it because that society bothers them
and they want to be something they're not?
1532
01:21:11,908 --> 01:21:13,701
…don't think they want to be
something they're not.
1533
01:21:13,868 --> 01:21:16,120
I think they want to be something…
1534
01:21:16,287 --> 01:21:18,206
that perhaps they are.
Just the opposite.
1535
01:21:22,126 --> 01:21:26,672
I have this belief
that sexually, male and female,
1536
01:21:26,839 --> 01:21:28,299
we're all on a continuum.
1537
01:21:28,466 --> 01:21:31,844
And at one end of it is hardwired female.
1538
01:21:32,011 --> 01:21:34,555
At the other end of it, hardwired is male.
1539
01:21:34,722 --> 01:21:38,768
And most of us fall on this continuum.
1540
01:21:38,935 --> 01:21:43,314
And I think many, many people
have that side to their nature
1541
01:21:43,481 --> 01:21:46,901
which they don't reveal to the world.
1542
01:21:47,068 --> 01:21:51,906
And I don't know whether that's healthy,
but Rocky allowed other people to feel,
1543
01:21:52,073 --> 01:21:56,244
“Oh, fuck me. I'm…
I'm a sweet transvestite as well.
1544
01:21:56,411 --> 01:21:58,162
"I… Get out of my way."
1545
01:21:59,705 --> 01:22:02,041
I mean, you would hope
at this point in world history
1546
01:22:02,208 --> 01:22:05,128
that something like Rocky
would be a relic.
1547
01:22:05,294 --> 01:22:07,088
You have to turn to your child
and explain,
1548
01:22:07,255 --> 01:22:10,466
well, people used to be really afraid
of a woman in a suit,
1549
01:22:10,633 --> 01:22:12,635
or a man in a dress,
1550
01:22:12,802 --> 01:22:16,180
or someone entering a room
1551
01:22:16,347 --> 01:22:18,724
and professing that they are
somewhere between two genders.
1552
01:22:21,477 --> 01:22:23,896
I don't think any of them knew
1553
01:22:24,063 --> 01:22:27,150
that they were making that kind of film.
1554
01:22:27,316 --> 01:22:29,902
But what they were creating…
1555
01:22:30,069 --> 01:22:31,737
was just right.
1556
01:22:32,864 --> 01:22:34,782
And that's why it's here today.
1557
01:22:34,949 --> 01:22:36,784
That's why we'll run every weekend
1558
01:22:36,951 --> 01:22:39,370
at two- to three-hundred theatres.
1559
01:22:39,537 --> 01:22:42,623
And then, on Halloween,
1560
01:22:42,790 --> 01:22:44,667
or in the month of October,
1561
01:22:44,834 --> 01:22:47,295
we'll be at everything from a cemetery,
1562
01:22:47,462 --> 01:22:50,298
on a wall of a mortuary,
1563
01:22:50,465 --> 01:22:52,675
to drive-in theatres.
1564
01:22:52,842 --> 01:22:55,344
Wherever they can get a play date,
1565
01:22:55,511 --> 01:22:57,805
Rocky Horror will be there.
1566
01:22:57,972 --> 01:23:00,308
Who knows?
It might finish tomorrow.
1567
01:23:00,475 --> 01:23:03,686
But it may go on
for the next 30, 40 years.
1568
01:23:03,853 --> 01:23:07,648
I have great sympathy
with the general public if it does so.
1569
01:23:07,815 --> 01:23:10,151
But quite frankly, it's a…
1570
01:23:11,694 --> 01:23:14,071
…It's a wonderful pension scheme.
1571
01:23:15,031 --> 01:23:17,116
It clearly has to be considered
1572
01:23:17,283 --> 01:23:19,827
the major cult movie of all time.
1573
01:23:19,994 --> 01:23:22,038
But…
1574
01:23:22,205 --> 01:23:25,082
you don't make cults.
Audiences make cults.
1575
01:23:25,249 --> 01:23:27,543
Nowhere else would I go like this.
Are you kidding?
1576
01:23:27,710 --> 01:23:30,046
- Really!
1577
01:23:30,213 --> 01:23:33,132
Wouldn't be safe anywhere else, you know?
1578
01:23:38,846 --> 01:23:42,767
Films either reinforce
the status quo or challenge it.
1579
01:23:42,934 --> 01:23:45,394
The ones that challenge it
are considered political.
1580
01:23:45,561 --> 01:23:49,524
But the Rocky Horror Show is definitely
challenging, so it's a political film.
1581
01:23:50,650 --> 01:23:55,112
I think that Rocky is about
dropping what you're told you have to be,
1582
01:23:55,279 --> 01:23:59,116
who everyone else thinks you are,
your environment, your religion,
1583
01:23:59,283 --> 01:24:02,787
all the brainwashing that goes into
the socialisation process.
1584
01:24:02,954 --> 01:24:04,288
What is a man? What is a boy?
1585
01:24:04,455 --> 01:24:06,249
What do women want?
What's funny? What's not?
1586
01:24:06,415 --> 01:24:10,211
At that point,
when you're trying to figure things out,
1587
01:24:10,378 --> 01:24:12,755
you could go to some place
where there are a lot of people
1588
01:24:12,922 --> 01:24:14,507
that are trying to figure that out.
1589
01:24:14,674 --> 01:24:18,511
You can be there,
and you can be accepted for who you are.
1590
01:24:20,054 --> 01:24:21,931
It has an innocence to it,
1591
01:24:21,931 --> 01:24:25,309
because all of those things
are so natural.
1592
01:24:25,476 --> 01:24:27,979
One doesn't choose one's sexuality.
1593
01:24:28,145 --> 01:24:30,773
One doesn't choose
the colour of their skin.
1594
01:24:30,940 --> 01:24:35,194
All of these things are celebrated in it.
1595
01:24:37,905 --> 01:24:40,658
Several people have told me
1596
01:24:40,825 --> 01:24:43,619
that it helped them
to understand their sexuality.
1597
01:24:43,786 --> 01:24:46,080
I think that's important.
1598
01:24:46,247 --> 01:24:48,583
Perhaps it is more relevant now.
1599
01:24:48,749 --> 01:24:51,919
Gender has become a political football,
1600
01:24:52,086 --> 01:24:55,172
which is really just a kind of…
1601
01:24:55,339 --> 01:24:57,800
global ignorance.
1602
01:24:59,719 --> 01:25:01,596
Rocky took it to the audience.
1603
01:25:01,762 --> 01:25:04,181
Rocky showed it to the audience
and said, "Here it is.
1604
01:25:04,348 --> 01:25:07,685
"This is what it is.
What are you gonna do about it?"
1605
01:25:07,852 --> 01:25:10,563
You can't do anything about it,
because it is what it is.
1606
01:25:11,606 --> 01:25:13,608
And I'm so proud of your dad
for doing that,
1607
01:25:13,774 --> 01:25:16,944
because I think the world would be
a different place without Rocky.
1608
01:25:17,111 --> 01:25:19,947
I mean he was just
being artistic, creative,
1609
01:25:20,114 --> 01:25:23,284
and, you know,
writing those wonderful songs.
1610
01:25:23,451 --> 01:25:26,203
But actually, it's had a real impact
1611
01:25:26,370 --> 01:25:28,748
on the world, on our culture.
1612
01:25:28,914 --> 01:25:32,460
Well, the truth of the matter is,
of course, we all are freaks aren't we?
1613
01:25:32,627 --> 01:25:34,420
There is no norm. There is no standard.
1614
01:25:34,587 --> 01:25:38,549
God made us in different ways…
thankfully.
1615
01:25:38,716 --> 01:25:40,885
I always felt
that I was living in no man's land.
1616
01:25:41,052 --> 01:25:44,805
I never felt that I belonged anywhere,
and I was in no man's land.
1617
01:25:44,972 --> 01:25:47,683
I was simply there
with loads of other people.
1618
01:25:47,850 --> 01:25:50,311
One of the things about Rocky, I think,
1619
01:25:50,478 --> 01:25:54,106
is that those people who are marginalised,
1620
01:25:54,273 --> 01:25:58,402
those people who are on the fringes
and feel lonely,
1621
01:25:58,569 --> 01:26:00,112
they come together.
1622
01:26:00,279 --> 01:26:02,239
Um, and it, um…
1623
01:26:02,406 --> 01:26:05,826
it gives them a place
where they feel they're…
1624
01:26:05,993 --> 01:26:07,953
they're not alone, basically.
1625
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:09,705
-This is making me feel very…
-I mean, that must be…
1626
01:26:09,872 --> 01:26:11,874
I'm getting very emotional about this.
I don't…
1627
01:26:12,041 --> 01:26:14,085
It's not my…
1628
01:26:14,251 --> 01:26:17,004
There we go. Thank you.
1629
01:26:17,171 --> 01:26:19,382
-It's not your what?
-Well…
1630
01:26:19,548 --> 01:26:21,425
It's not…
I'm not generally like this.
1631
01:26:21,592 --> 01:26:23,928
-Oh, Dad. You are, from time to time.
-No, no, no.
1632
01:26:23,928 --> 01:26:25,680
Stop it.
1633
01:26:25,846 --> 01:26:28,015
It's part of you, right?
1634
01:26:28,182 --> 01:26:30,685
Self-reflection is gonna bring
that kind of emotion out.
1635
01:26:30,851 --> 01:26:32,895
Yeah. It's interesting, isn't it?
1636
01:26:33,062 --> 01:26:35,439
It's fascinating,
and you do the best you can,
1637
01:26:35,606 --> 01:26:37,316
and you muddle through.
1638
01:26:37,483 --> 01:26:39,694
But, you know, if I hadn't been…
1639
01:26:39,860 --> 01:26:42,905
if I hadn't been the way I was, you know,
1640
01:26:43,072 --> 01:26:45,991
Frank-N-Furter would never have…
1641
01:26:46,158 --> 01:26:47,201
-come to life.
-Right.
1642
01:26:47,368 --> 01:26:48,661
There would never be a Frank-N-Furter.
1643
01:26:48,828 --> 01:26:50,663
There would never be a Rocky Horror Show.
1644
01:26:50,830 --> 01:26:55,084
So, once again, you know,
out of adversity comes something good.
1645
01:26:55,251 --> 01:26:57,378
Turn it to your own advantage.
1646
01:26:57,545 --> 01:27:00,673
So, what does Rocky
mean to you now?
1647
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:03,467
I remember what somebody once said to me,
1648
01:27:03,634 --> 01:27:06,929
"It doesn't matter what you think about
Rocky Horror any more, Richard,
1649
01:27:06,929 --> 01:27:08,514
"'cause it's not yours."
1650
01:27:08,681 --> 01:27:12,143
And I thought, "Oh, actually,
in many ways, that's absolutely true.
1651
01:27:12,309 --> 01:27:14,895
He said, "It belongs to us, not to you."
1652
01:27:22,194 --> 01:27:24,447
♪ I've done a lot
1653
01:27:24,613 --> 01:27:26,907
♪ God, knows I've tried
1654
01:27:27,074 --> 01:27:28,325
♪ To find the truth
1655
01:27:28,492 --> 01:27:31,954
♪ Well, I've even lied
1656
01:27:32,121 --> 01:27:34,248
♪ But all I know
1657
01:27:34,415 --> 01:27:36,292
♪ Is down inside
1658
01:27:36,459 --> 01:27:39,628
♪ I'm bleeding
1659
01:27:41,672 --> 01:27:44,216
♪ And superheroes
1660
01:27:44,383 --> 01:27:46,677
♪ Come to feast
1661
01:27:46,844 --> 01:27:51,390
♪ To taste the flesh, not yet deceased
1662
01:27:51,557 --> 01:27:53,684
♪ But all I know
1663
01:27:53,851 --> 01:27:55,728
♪ Is still the beast
1664
01:27:55,895 --> 01:28:00,691
♪ Is feeding
1665
01:28:00,858 --> 01:28:04,153
♪ Oh, oh-oh-oh
1666
01:28:06,155 --> 01:28:09,617
♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh
1667
01:28:11,285 --> 01:28:15,664
♪ Oh, oh-oh-oh
1668
01:28:15,831 --> 01:28:19,084
♪ Oh, oh-oh-oh
1669
01:28:40,773 --> 01:28:45,528
♪ And crawling on the planet's face
1670
01:28:45,694 --> 01:28:50,491
♪ Some insects called the human race
1671
01:28:50,658 --> 01:28:56,080
♪ Lost in time and lost in space
1672
01:28:56,247 --> 01:28:59,542
♪ And meaning. ♪
1673
01:29:05,464 --> 01:29:07,383
Get down. I'm a bad motherfucker!